[A. Call Meeting to Order]
[C. Roll Call]
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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
[E. Approval of Minutes]
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MARCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES? SAID THANK YOU FOR THE MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES
>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. NEXT
[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]
UP ON OUR AGENDA IS GIVEN OCCASION BILLS, ACTIVATORS AND LEGAL COUNCIL REPORT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.>> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP IS REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS, AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE OUTCOMES OF THE PROJECT FROM THE EVIL FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING. THE GRAMMAR CDP ALS HAD A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AND EXPECT TONIGHT, THE JACKIE'S CATERING AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, THE U.S. 421 WCD PUD WAS DISCUSSED AND CONTINUED TO THE MAY 6TH COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THE NORTH END PHASE TWO PRIMARY PLATT AMENDMENT WAS DISCUSSED AND WILL BE CONTINUED
[Items H.1 & H.2]
TO THE MAY 6TH COMMITTEE MEETING. THANK YOU.>> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS EVENING, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON OUR DOCKET, WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND ONE OLD BUSINESS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ INTO THE RECORD THE FIRST DOCKET WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00009 MAXIMUM DENSITY OF ONE ACRE PER LOT, ONE LOT PER ACRE, 1.3 LOTS ACRE REQUESTED. DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00010, PRIMARY PLATT, SECONDARY PLATT, CRANDALL MINOR SUBDIVISION. THE APPLICANT SEEKS MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT APPROVAL AND VARIANCE APPROVAL TO SPLIT ONE PARCEL INTO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 13585 SIX POINTS ROAD. IT IS OWNED S1 RESIDENTIAL AND IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN AN OVERLAY ZONE.
FILED BY KELLY WILHELM OF TERRA SITE DEVELOPMENT, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE PETITIONER TO PRESENT. THESE INTRODUCE
YOURSELF. >> MY NAME IS GREG RIBBLE. DO
YOU GUYS NEED THE ADDRESS? >> YES, PLEASE.
>> OUR ADDRESS IS 571 SUITE 200 46032. I ALSO HAVE KELLY WILHELM HERE, AS WELL, TO REPRESENT THE PROJECT. WE ARE WITH TERRA SITE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THE APPROVAL FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR THE CRANDALL PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED 139516 POINTS ROAD, CARMEL INDIANA, 46032. THIS WAS PREPARED FOR EVEN CUSTOM HOMES, WHO IS THE BUILDER, AND KENNETH AND SUZANNE CRANDALL, WHO ARE THE HOMEOWNERS. AS FAR AS A BRIEF PROJECT DESCRIPTION, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS PART OF A TWO LOT MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT AND WILL CONSIST OF A 2852 SQUARE FOOT HOME, THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES A DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, ATTENTION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND UTILITY CONNECTIONS. WE REVIEWED STAFF REPORTS AND EVERYTHING SEEMED TO BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THERE, SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE,
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL RIGHT, SEEING THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE
DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REPORT. >> THANK YOU, FOR THE RECORD, CHRISTINA JESSE, CARMEL PLANNING AND ZONING. PETITIONERS GAVE A
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GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, IT IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION SPLITTING ONE LOT INTO TWO, THERE'S A VARIANCE COMPONENT BECAUSE OF THE MAXIMUM DENSITY, ALLOWED FOR THE S1 ZONING DISTRICT, ONE LOT PER ACRE IS REQUIRED, AND 1.3 LOTS PER ACRE AFTER RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION IS WHAT IS REQUESTED. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS VARIANCE AS IT MAINTAINS THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND MEETS THE GOALS OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TAKING DEDICATED ALONG SIX POINTS ROAD AND THEY DO PLAN TO INSTALL A MULTIUSE PATH ON BOTH LOTS. TWO MAIN OUTSTANDING ITEMS INCLUDE FINALIZING EASEMENT LOCATIONS WITH BOTH TRICOLOR AND THE HAMILTON COUNTY SURVEYOR'S OFFICE. AND ALSO FINALIZING DRAINAGE DETAILS WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE DEPARTMENT DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT, CONTINGENT ON FINALIZING THOSE OUTSTANDING REVIEW PROJECTS AND WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE FACTS SUBMITTED1BY THE PETITIONERS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I WILL ATTEMPT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER WEST MEYER?
>> ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING ANY BUFFERING BEHIND THE HOMES OVER THERE, WHERE THERE IS NOTHING BETWEEN THAT, AND IF SO,
>> IS EAST, IT'S BEHIND THE HOMES. IT BACKS UP TO ASHBURY PARK,
>> YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT? >> NO. OH, THE RED MEANS GO, OH.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS MESSING UP, SORRY, GUYS. SO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE PLANS WERE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING. THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE REQUIRED BUFFERING WAS ALONG SIX POINTS
ROAD, THERE. >> OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, IT'S WIDE OPEN BEHIND THERE, AND I ANTICIPATE IT MAY BE SOME NEIGHBORS COMING TONIGHT, BUT, I KNOW IT'S NOT REQUIRED, RIGHT?
OKAY. THANK YOU. >> NO PROBLEM.
>> IS THIS ON THE EAST SIDE OF SIX POINTS? OR THE WESTSIDE?
>> THAT'S CORRECT, EAST. >> OKAY.
>> CAN YOU PULL UP, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME AND IT MIGHT JUST BE ME, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME RECONCILING THIS DRAWING WITH THE OTHER PRIMARY PLATT YOU HAVE UP THERE AND TRYING TO GET THE VARIANCE OF, I KNOW THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S THERE IN THE CORNER OF SIX POINTS AND 136 STREET, AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, RIGHT? THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF THAT?
>> DOES THIS ORIENTATION HELP? >> THAT'S 136TH STREET AT THE TOP, SHOW ME WHERE 136 STREET IS ON THIS.
>> 136 WOULD BE , IS THAT SOUTH OR NORTH ? IT WOULD BE NORTH.
NORTH OF THE HOME. YEAH, WE'RE NOT SHOWING IT ON THE AERIAL.
>> OKAY. LET ME SEE. OKAY. AND SO, THEN, THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE ADDING IS GOING TO BE A LONG SIX POINTS?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ,
>> SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I KNOW THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE AT THE CORNER OF SIX POINTS AND 136TH STREET. I'M TRYING TO GET AN ORIENTATION OF WHERE THAT , THIS NEW LOT IS IN REFERENCE TO THAT. OR IS IT FURTHER DOWN SIX POINTS ROAD?
>> THERE'S ONLY ONE LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPOSED LOT,
THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE CORNER. >> THAT EXISTING HOME?
>> CORRECT. SEPARATE. >> JUST ONE LOT NORTH, OKAY.
GREAT. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT EXACTLY --
>> I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION, THAT WAS GOOD TO KNOW.
PROCEDURALLY IF WE ACT ON THIS TONIGHT WE NEED TO SUSPEND RULES
AND PROCEDURE? >> NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO SUSPEND
NORMAL PROCEDURE. >> THANK YOU.
>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
>> I HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO THE APPROVED CONTINGENT ON FINALIZING OF OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. IN PROJECT DOCS.
>> AND THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS.
>> AND THE ADOPTION OF FINDING AND FAX. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR,
[Items I.1 & I.2]
>> ANY OPPOSED, HEARING NONE, CONGRATULATIONS. IT IS APPROVED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE OLD BUSINESS.
THIS IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00241 , A DLS GRAMERCY,
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DOCKET NUMBER 24, DP GRAMERCY, THE APPLICANT SEEKS A DLS APPROVAL FOR THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS WITHIN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE OVERALL URBAN RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT WITH TOWNHOMES, MULTIFAMILY, AND MIXED-USE BUILDINGS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CITY CENTER DRIVE AND KINZER AVENUE.IT IS NOW ZONED PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, GRAMERCY FILED BY PATRICK SOWINSKI OF KIMLEY-HORN ON BEHALF OF ERIK DIRKS OF BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES, LLC. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE PETITIONER.
>> THANK YOU, FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS RICK LAWRENCE, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH NELSON AND FRANK WITH OFFICES HERE IN CARMEL.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS ERIK DIRKS, WITH BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES, THE PETITIONER IN THIS MATTER. I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHEREMERE AT, THIS MATTER WAS BEFORE YOU AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS THEN PRESENTED TO THE ABLE FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING, IN WHICH THEY RECEIVED A 5-0 RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE FULL PC FOR CONSIDERATION. AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE SUBJECT DEVELOPMENT PLAN REAL ESTATE IS OUTLINED HERE IN RED, ON THIS EXHIBIT, WHICH IS ALSO BEHIND TAB TWO OF YOUR INFORMATIONAL BROCHURE. THIS IS A LARGER CONCEPT PLAN, SHOWN HERE WHICH IS ALSO BEHIND TAB THREE OF YOUR BROCHURE. THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A DLS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTING REVIEW OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN ORDER TO CONFIRM THE COMPLIANCE OF THE GRAMERCY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WHICH WERE AMENDED LAST YEAR. I'M SURE THAT YOU ARE THE STAFF REPORT, WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF DILIGENCE IN REVIEWING THIS, AND WE BELIEVE WE'VE ANSWERED AND ADDRESSED ALMOST ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE PAST COUPLE MEETINGS. THE ONE OUTSTANDING ISSUE RELATES TO THE BIKE PARKING, WHICH WE'RE CONTINUING TO ADDRESS AND WILL HAVE A FINAL RESOLUTION TO THAT AS THE PROCESS CONTINUES. I DID WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING OR A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP. I BELIEVE YOU WILL RECEIVE THE MEMORANDUM THAT ERIC HAD PROVIDED FROM BUCKINGHAM COMPANIES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR CONCERNS IN GRAMERCY WEST, THE AREA OVER HERE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, OR PART OF THE PETITION, NONETHELESS, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING HOW THE DEVELOPMENT HAS PROCEEDED, GRAMERCY HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE MEMORANDUM, I DON'T WANT TO READ IT TO YOU BUT THEY CONCERN TREES, LIGHTS, CURBING, SOME OF THOSE MATTERS WILL BE FINALIZED ONCE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS FINISHED , AS THAT' JUST PART OF THE PLANNING AND HOW THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS GOES. FOR INSTANCE, THE CURBING, YOU DON'T GO AROUND AND CORRECT CURBING AS THE PROJECT GOES, BECAUSE IT CAN CONTINUALLY GET DESTROYED, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AT THE VERY END, SAME WITH TREES THAT WERE REPLACED OR ADDED LAST YEAR, AS SPRING PROGRESSES WE'LL FIND OUT OF THOSE TREES HAVE LIVED, ARE LIVING, IF NOT THEY'LL BE REPLACED. ISSUES LIKE THAT. SO, BUCKINGHAM HAS TRIED TO TAKE A PROACTIVE STANCE IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR CONCERNS, WHICH I THINK WERE PRESENTED AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP WAS THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE . THIS EXHIBIT WAS PROVIDED TO STAFF, AND I BELIEVE FORWARDED ON TO YOU, WHICH SHOWS THE OPEN SPACE TOTALING 4.9 ACRES, THE MAJORITY OF IT WITHIN THIS SECTION, THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION HERE WHICH IS IN ANOTHER PART OF GRAMERCY, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE ENTIRE PETITION TONIGHT. ERIC AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, OTHERWISE WE WOULD APPRECIATE APPROVAL OF THE DP
AND A.L. DS THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEPARTMENT FOR THE REPORT.
>> THANK YOU, RACHEL KIESLING, PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
I THINK MR. LAWRENCE WENT OVER EVERYTHING PRETTY CONCISELY, AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT YOU ALL HAD FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THAT WAS ABOUT OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS. THEY ALSO PROVIDED , IN THEIR UPDATED PACKET, AND AMENITY PLAN. WHICH SHOWED ALL THE DIFFERENT OUTDOOR AREAS AND THINGS. WE'LL PUT IT UP RIGHT NOW. THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A PLAYGROUND, BUT THERE ARE MANY OPEN SPACE AREAS, AND THERE IS PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND THERE'S A DOG PARK, I BELIEVE. NORTH OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT. SO, THEY HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED AMENITIES. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES THE
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QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD AT THE LAST MEETING. THEY'VE UPDATED THEIR PLANS, TO SHOW THE NEED OF PLANTING SIGNS AND THE DETENTION AREAS. RICK TOUCHED ON THE BIKE PARKING GARAGE SAFETY CONCERNS, THOSE WERE LISTED IN YOUR DEPARTMENT REPORT. I DID DISCUSS THOSE WITH ERIK DIRKS AT LENGTH, AND IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE SPACE IS ABLE TOBE USED AND PEOPLE FEEL SAFE USING IT, WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO FEEL TRAPPED INSIDE OF A GARAGE, YOU WANT TWO WEIGHS IN, OR TWO WAYS OUT. A WAY IN AND THE WAY OUT. SECURITY MEASURES, WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS.WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT, AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL GET ALL THOSE ITEMS ADDRESSED FOR THIS APPROVAL. SO, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM TONIGHT, SUBJECT TO ADDRESSING OUR FINAL COMMENTS ON PROJECT DOCS, WHICH THOSE BIKE PARKING COMMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. AND THAT IS
ALL, THANK YOU. >> SUE, VICE CHAIR OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD?
>> I FEEL RACHEL COVERED THAT, THAT'S MY COMMITTEE REPORT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ANY, YES, JUST?
>> ONE QUESTION ON THE BIKE PARKING, AN UPDATE ON WHERE IT'S AT CURRENTLY AND IF THERE'S ANY FOR SEEN FRICTION
POINTS ON THAT. >> THE LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING GARAGE IS AN EXISTING GARAGE, KIND OF WHERE THE WORD MULTI USE PATH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, RIGHT ABOUT THERE, WHERE MULTI-IS, THAT'S WHERE THAT GARAGE IS, IT'S AN EXITING GARAGE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONVERT. YEAH.
>> LONG-TERM IS HERE IN BLUE, AND SOME APPEAR AS WELL.
>> TWO LOCATIONS GENERALLY CENTRALLY LOCATED, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE A LARGE GARAGE IS A VEHICULAR GARAGE THAT WILL BE CONVERTED TO HAVE DOUBLE RACKS SO THAT YOU CAN STACK YOUR BIKES IN THERE, IT HOLDS ABOUT 160 BIKES.
>> TO ADD TO THAT, THIS ISSUE CAME UP LAST WEEK, WE ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE SOME PLANS TO GET TO STAFF, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT FULLY RESOLVED BY TONIGHT'S MEETING.
>> JEFF. >> OF HIS REQUEST IS FOR GRAMERCY EAST, THE AMENITIES YOU DESCRIBED, THE DOG PARK, THE PICKLEBALL, MANY BUILDING PATHS, PARKS, ARE THEY AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE IN GRAMERCY? CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME?
>> THE PART THAT IS LOCATED THERE, YES, THE MULTI USE PATHS, THERE, AND THERE, YES, THE OPEN SPACES, YES. WE HAVE NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSED THE DOG PARK AND THE PICKLEBALL, I THINK PICKLEBALL WILL BE FENCED OFF, AND IT MAY BE KEY FOB ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS ONLY AS WELL AS THE DOG PARK. IT'S A MIX, IT'S A MIXED BAG, THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC OPEN DEDICATED PARKS BASE AMENITIES AND MULTIUSE PATHS, SOME OF THE AMENITIES WOULD BE
PRIVATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. >> I'LL CLARIFY MY ASK, I GET IT ON THE PICKLEBALL, I GUESS I'M WANTING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO GRAMERCY EAST, AND WHAT I'LL SAY IS WEST, I'M NOT SAYING THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL, DOES THAT MAKE
>> IT IS A GRAMERCY WEST THAT MAY NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE PICKLEBALL THAT'S IN GRAMERCY EAST? IF I'M USING THE RIGHT
TERMINOLOGY? >> YES. YOU ARE. I WOULD SAY, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE AMENITY BUILDING AND THE INDOOR OUTDOOR AMENITY WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THIS GRAMERCY EAST PHASE ONE. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? OKAY.
>> SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED THIS DISCUSSED AT COMMITTEE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS. SO, SO HAVING THIS LIMITED TO JUST TO THE AREA, I WAS ORIGINALLY THINKING ONE PICKLEBALL COURT IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH, YOU PROBABLY NEEDED TWO AT LEAST, SO, DO YOU HAVE ROOM TO BUILD A SECOND ONE THERE, OR?
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>> NOT THERE. WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE ALTERNATE LOCATIONS. TWO
YOUR POINT, IT -- >> IF IT'S ONLY THIS ONE SECTION IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS CROWDED.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHAT ABOUT THE INDOOR GYMNASIUM? IS THAT OPEN TO EVERYBODY OR ONLY TO THIS
SECTION? >> THIS SECTION. AS OF RIGHT NOW IS ANTICIPATED THAT GRAMERCY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT OTHER THAN LEGACY, ALONG KEYSTONE. 1970S GRAMERCY IS A MONETIZED INDEPENDENTLY WITH ITS OWN POOL, BASKETBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, ALL THAT FOR ALONG KEYSTONE, AND THIS RIGHT NOW IS A MONETIZED INDEPENDENTLY AS WELL.
>> OKAY. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS AS WELL. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE TO THE MEETING. I WAS STUCK IN PHYSICAL THERAPY. MY APOLOGIES, TO THAT POINT, GRAMERCY LEGACY HAS ITS OWN FACILITIES, BUT, THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS STILL OWNED BY ONE
>> SO, GRAMERCY WEST AS THEIR OWN SWIMMING POOL, WHICH I'VE DRIVEN BY IT AND , NOT WEST, EAST. DOWN THERE. YEAH. OFF OF
LANGFORD OR WHATEVER. >> THAT MIGHT BE IT.
>> WHATEVER THE NAME OF THE STREET IS THERE. IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME, IS IT BECAUSE IT'S DEDICATED TO DIFFERENT
HOAS? >> AS OF RIGHT NOW, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A WORLD THAT MOVING FORWARD THERE COULD BE SOME CROSSOVER WITH GRAMERCY TO GRAMERCY, AS FAR AS EXISTING GRAMERCY TO NEW GRAMERCY, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST BEING MODELED AS AN INDEPENDENT DEVELOPMENT, FULLY AMENITIZED TO WITHIN OUR TYPICAL PROGRAMMING REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT.
>> OKAY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BIGGER PROJECT, 10,000 MILE VIEW, WHEN EVERYTHING'S BUILT OUT, THAT'S GOING TO BE TO CHRISTINE'S POINT, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE TEENY TINY PICKLEBALL COURT, SO, WILL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN AMENITIES AS WELL? BECAUSE I'M THINKING THIS JUST ISN'T ENOUGH.
>> THE OTHER FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THE TOWN HOUSES?
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BIG PLAN, BIG PICTURE ALTOGETHER.
YEAH. >> THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC PLAZA HERE WITH AREA RETAIL SHOPS. YES. DOWN HERE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DESIGNED THIS, THIS IS FOR SALE TOWNHOUSE PADS, THIS IS SUBJECT TO COLLABORATION WITH FUTURE TOWNHOME DEVELOPER TO BE DETERMINED. WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN, WE LITERALLY KICKED DESIGN OFF ON THIS, SO WE DON'T KNOW , GRAMERCY WEST, THE DEVELOPER, THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPER WANTED ITS OWN AMENITY OBVIOUSLY. MY POINTED AT THE RIGHT AREA? IT'S AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE. THE POOL. THERE IS AN AMENITY NOTE FOR THIS GRAMERCY WEST THAT'S FOR USE ONLY BY GRAMERCY WEST. I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF COLLABORATION ON THE DESIGN FOR THAT AMENITY, HERE, ALSO CONSTRUCTED BY THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPER. TO BE DETERMINED. THAT PERSON TO BE DETERMINED.
>> THAT'S A REALLY NARROW PATH. I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU GUYS SQUEEZING SOME SORT OF AMENITY IN THERE, SO I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT IT'S, THERE'S ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY. THERE'S A LOT OF DOORS, AND NOT A LOT OF SPACE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> YES. >> AND I THINK THAT SUMS UP EVERYONE'S CONCERN, THIS IS A VERY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, AND ENSURING THAT THERE IS ENOUGH OPEN GREEN SPACE AND ENOUGH AMENITIES, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY ANYWHERE ELSE TO CAPTURE MORE , A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN SPACE? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE, AND, YOU'RE NOT OVER PARKED.
>> NO. NOW, LIKE I SAID, IN KIND OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND COOPERATION WITH THE CITY, AREA AE AND F ARE TO BE FOR SALE TOWNHOUSE IS LIKE IT IS HERE, IN MERCY WEST. FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE THROUGH THAT DESIGN PROCESS, THAT'S ALL STILL TO BE DETERMINED. THIS IS PRETTY DENSE OVER HERE, THEY FIT IN AN AMENITY NOTE NEXT TO THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PART. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE SELECTED TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPER. THE MAX DENSITY APPROVED BY THE BOND
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APPROVAL PROCESS THAT DOES LEAVE SOME GREEN SPACES, LIKE AN OPEN SPACE, SLATED TO BE AN OPEN SPACE DEDICATED OPEN SPACE HERE AS WELL AS BACK HERE. AGAIN, IT'S SUBJECT TO COORDINATING WITH THAT TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPER TO SEE IF THEY WANTED AMENITIES TO MY CARVEOUT SPACE FOR OTHER AMENITIES.>> I KNOW YOU'RE BUILDING WHAT WAS CITY COUNCIL WORKED ON IT, I KNOW YOU'RE STICKING TO WHAT WAS IN THE PD, BUT CERTAINLY, BEFORE THE NEXT SECTION I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO SEE MORE GREEN SPACE, FOR THIS AREA WHICH IS SO DENSE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT I KNOW YOU HAD A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
>> I THINK THAT GOT ANSWERED, THERE IS FIRM COMMITMENTS IN THIS PUD TO HOW MUCH OPEN GREEN SPACE THERE HAS TO BE. AND IF YOU'RE DOING 4.9 IN THIS SECTION, AND I ASSUME THEY'VE MET THEIR NUMBER ON GRAMERCY WEST, THERE IS STILL X AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, CORRECT ME IN THIS NEW SECTION, HOWEVER WE'RE CALLING IT, THERE HAS TO BE SOME GREEN SPACE.
>> YES. AND THEY'RE PROVIDING THE 4.9 IN THIS SECTION, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL SECTIONS WILL HAVE TO HAVE OTHER AMOUNTS.
>> WHICH IS ALL IN THE PUD. THE TOTAL MIGHT BE 10 .
>> I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT YES. A FEW YEARS
AGO. >> THAT'S WHY I LIKED BUT IT WAS INTRODUCED AS OLD BUSINESS. THIS IS REALLY OLD BUSINESS.
>> THIS IS VERY OLD BUSINESS. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO QUALIFY THAT, THAT YOU HAVEN'T MET YOUR NUMBER JUST BY THIS, THERE IS STILL HOPEFULLY A FEW MORE ACRES AT LEAST,
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TOTAL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, YES.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION ON ALL THE REPAIRS THAT ARE BEING MADE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU PUT IT IN WRITING IT IT'S PART OF THE RECORD SO I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. WITH TRANSITIONING TO HOAS, WHO'S GOING TO OWN MAKING SURE ALL THE STUFF IS DONE, WILL STILL BE BUCKINGHAM MAKING SURE THIS IS DONE? OR IS THIS GOING TO BE SHIFTED TO THE FUTURE HOAS TO MAKE SURE THE TREES ARE LIVING THE GRASSES SURVIVING, THE KEY
CURBS ARE FIXED? >> SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, I'LL BE ASSISTING IN THE A TURNOVER PROCESS. OUR KICKOFF MEETING WITH PLANNING STAFF IS ON THURSDAY, THE DEVELOPER WILL OWN THE REPAIRS FOR ALL OF THOSE COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND THE APPROVED DESIGNS TO THE CITY, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN PLACED UNDER MAINTENANCE BONDS, SO I THINK TO RICK'S POINTS EARLIER, WE DON'T GO AROUND CHASING THE SNOW REMOVAL EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY THE DAMAGE THAT WE'RE SEEING TO USE CURBS AS A FOR INSTANCE. THE MAINTENANCE BONDS LAST FOR THREE YEARS, PART OF THOSE BEING RELEASED AS WE SCHEDULE AN INSPECTION WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE WALK ALL OF THAT, IDENTIFY THE REPAIRS, MAKE THE REPAIRS, THOSE ARE REINSPECTED BEFORE THE RELEASE OF MAINTENANCE BONDS.
THAT'S NOT JUST CURBS, THERE'S 11 DIFFERENT BONDING CATEGORIES.
THAT WE PUT BONDS IN PLACE. I WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE A TURNOVER BUT THE DEVELOPER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMITMENTS MADE IN THE APPROVED PLAN AND THAT HAS BEEN PLACED
UNDER MAINTENANCE BOND. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED TO MY FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, BUCKINGHAM WAS GOING TO WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO TRY AND BUILD A REALLY NICE , PARKS GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE GREEN SPACE AREA BUT UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT HOAS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, IT COULD NOT HAPPEN. TO GIVE YOU SOME KUDOS, YOU DID AT LEAST ENGAGE WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT TO WORK SOMETHING OUT.
>> WE'RE WORKING WITH DIRECTOR ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PUBLIC PLAZA, THE THOUGHT WAS, COULD WE ALSO ENGAGE THE POND ACROSS THE STREET AND MAKE IT , THIS IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING TURNED OVER TO A, IT'S OWNED BY OTHERS AND IT WAS OUTSIDE THE
PROJECT LIMITS. TO YOUR POINT. >> DEBBIE?
>> DID EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS I LOOK AT THAT, JUST BE THINKING THERE MIGHT BE LITTLE YELLOW RECTANGLES DOWN THERE THAT COULD GO AWAY. IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU'RE PLANNING THAT THAT COULD GO AWAY AND BECOME GREEN.
>> DOWN HERE. OKAY. >> THEY MIGHT ALREADY BE IN DASHED LINES. AS A MAYBE. MAYBE THEY'RE NOT. MAYBE YES WOULD BE
GOOD. >> THE GOOD NEWS IS, THIS PROPERTY LINE FLARES OUT LIKE THAT, AND LIKE THAT. SO, AS I AM LOOKING TO DESIGN INSIDE THE LINES, INSIDE THE PROPERTY, THERE'S MORE PROPERTY THERE THAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH TO LOOK
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AT PRESERVING GREEN SPACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.>> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY UP HERE? IS THERE A MOTION?
>> SO MOVED. MOVE THAT WE APPROVE DOCKET NUMBER
>> SUBJECT, YEAH. YES. AND ALL THE COMMENTS TODAY.
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, ADAM, JUSTIN, I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING BOTH OF THESE DOCKETS SUBJECT TO ALL THE CONDITIONS BEING WORKED OUT
IN PROJECT DOCS, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING ON, CONGRATULATIONS, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS FOR MANY MONTHS, APPRECIATE IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.