Apr 21, 2025 City Council Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

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>> HELLO BRITT I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CARMEL COUNTY COUNSEL TO ORDER. THE FIRST RIGHT. AND WE ARE

GOING TO DO A VOICE VOTE . >>

[3. INVOCATION]

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION. WE HAVE

A RABBI OF CONGREGATION. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. SOVEREIGN OF ALL CREATION, WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS UPON OUR CITY AND UPON THE COUNCILMEMBERS WHO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF CARMEL . INSPIRE THEM TO CONDUCT THEIR AFFAIRS WITH HONESTY, INTEGRITY, AND HUMILITY. OH, GOD, WE PRAY THAT THE DIVINES. YOU IMPLANT WITHIN ALL OF US IS AWAKENED WITHIN OUR COUNCILMEMBERS SO THAT THEY MAY JUDGE WITH JUSTICE, ACT WITH COMPASSION, AND RECOGNIZE THE DIGNITY AND INFINITE WORTH EVERY HUMAN BEING AS WE ARE ALL CREATED IN YOUR IMAGE. ME THE WORK WE DO MIRROR YOUR WILL. TODAY THIS COUNSELS ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY AFTER OUR HOLIDAYS OF PASSOVER AND EASTER. OUR RESPECTIVE TIMES OF COLLECTIBLE LONGING AND SPIRITUAL COUNT TRANSFORATION.

THE CONFLUENCE OF THESE DAYS INSPIRE US TO CHERISH OUR DIFFERENCES AS WELL AS EMBRACE THE UNITY OF THE COMMONALITIES WE SHARE AS CITIZENS OF THE CITY, STATE, NATION . IN THE PURSUIT OF THE BETTERMENT OF THIS CITY, MAY OUR DISAGREEMENTS BE FOR THE SAKE OF HEAVEN SERVING A HIGHER PURPOSE. GRANT OUR COUNCILMEMBERS KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING, AND DISCERNMENT AS THEY WORK TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>> THANK YOU, RABBI. NEXT UP IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WE HAVE A MEMBER OF OUR BOY SCOUTS TROOP 202. DID I GET IT CORRECT? HE IS GOING TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR

>> THANK YOU. EXCELLENT JOB. NEXT UP WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAVE ANY ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? NONE TONIGHT. HE GOT UP AS IF HE WANTED TO

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

YOU GET THREE MINUTES. COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PRESS THE MICROPHONE. WHEN YOU SEE IT TURN YELLOW, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.

WHEN YOU SEE IT TURN RED, PLEASE WRAP IT UP. FIRST UP IS JACK RUSSELL SPEAKING ABOUT THE RENTAL ORDINANCE.

>> I'M GLAD I SET MYSELF AS FAR AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS JACK RUSSELL. I SERVE AS RESIDENT AND CEO. I AM HERE REGARDING ORDINANCE D-2770-25.

WE AT ONE'S OWN PROUDLY SERVED OVER 1200 BUSINESSES AT HAMILTON COUNTY. 450 OF THOSE CALL CARMEL HOME. WE AT ONE'S OWN CHAMBER ARE COMMITTED TO BRING POLICIES THAT PROMOTE BALANCED GROWTH, COMMUNITY STABILITY, AND A STRONG LOCAL ECONOMY. OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS WE HAVE VOICED SUPPORT FOR THE CITY RENTAL ORDINANCE, WHICH INCLUDED REGISTRATION AND PERMITTING PROGRAM FOR LONG-TERM SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS AND A 10% CAP ON SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS PER SUBDIVISION. WE VIEW THAT ORDINANCE AS A PROACTIVE AND THOUGHTFUL STEP FORWARD PRESERVING NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY, MAINTAINING HOUSING QUALITY, AND SUPPORTING LONG-TERM HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. WE APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL IS TAKING A THOUGHTFUL, DELIBERATE APPROACH TO EVALUATE A SIMILAR ORDINANCE. THROUGH THIS PROCESS, OUR CARMEL BUSINESS COMMITTEE WILL BE REVIEWING THE EXISTING ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ED.

ALSO SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE RENTAL CAPS.

>> THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE CAP ON THE PROPOSALS. I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID FROM ONE'S OWN. I HAVE BEEN THE OWNER OF SEVERAL HOMES. I HAVE OWNED AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND DUPLEX AT AN OLDER ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THAT WAS A COMMON THING BACK IN THE DAY . SO I HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE OWNED HOMES. I HAVE RENTED HOMES. I'VE TRANSITIONED AND RENTED BETWEEN HOUSES MYSELF. SO I HAVE BEEN THE FULL SPECTRUM. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THESE INVESTOR OWNED PROPERTIES WHERE THEY OVERWHELM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. A LOT OF THE HOUSES HERE IN CARMEL THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS DID NOT HAVE ANY CONCEPTION OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY OR WHAT WE HAVE SEEN. AND THEY ARE ILL-EQUIPPED TO HANDLE -- THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN HOA LET ALONE TO MODIFY. SO I THINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING WILL SERVE A VERY GOOD PURPOSE . AND IT WILL ALSO HELP ESTABLISH HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS BY COMING ALONG BESIDE THEM WITH A TOOL THEY CAN USE AS WELL. I HAVE SEEN SOME EVIDENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF RENTAL PROPERTIES . THEY ARE OWNED BY SOME OF THE LARGER INVESTMENT COMPANIES AND NATIONAL FIRMS. THEY ARE NOT KEPT UP AS WELL. I GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THE REVIEWS . THE REVIEWS ARE NEGATIVE FROM THE RENTER'S PERSPECTIVE. IT IS ALMOST LIKE A TRAP . AND IT IS SAD. AND I BELIEVE SOME OF THESE ARE COMPETING AGAINST FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS. LOCKING THEM OUT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME LIKE MANY OF US HAVE DONE. I WOULD SAY THAT BUYING A HOME IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST INVESTMENTS THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THROUGH MY LIFETIME EXPERIENCES . SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND I DO BELIEVE THIS ORDINANCE WILL GO A LONG WAY TO ALLOW OTHERS TO ENJOY THOSE BENEFITS THAT MANY OF US SENIOR CITIZENS HAVE ENJOYED GAINING PROPERTY VALUE AND EQUITY IN OUR HOMES. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION . PROPOSALS GOING FORWARD. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT PASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE JIM THOMAS SPEAKING ON ORDINANCE

A D 27 6825 IN FAVOR. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JIM THOMAS. I LIVE AT 241 SOUTHEAST. AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF D-2769-25 SPONSORED BY COUNSELOR AYERS AND COUNSELOR TAYLOR . I AM SPEAKING IN SUPPORT. WE LIVE JUST SOUTH OF THE NEW PROPERTY THAT CONTAINS 1923 AND THAT HAS CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD A BIT. YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE CARS COME FROM .

SPECIFICALLY. BUT THERE HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL UPTICK IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS . AND IT OCCURS RIGHT AROUND 4:00. SO AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION THAT PERHAPS WORKERS OR IT IS ALREADY FULL WITH THE FOLKS UPSTAIRS AND THE STAFF IS TRYING TO LEAVE THE LOT OPEN. DON'T KNOW SPECIFICS, BUT I DO KNOW SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS. AND THE ORDINANCE UNDER DISCUSSION IS GREATLY DESIRED BY THE NEIGHBORS . MY NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY NORTH, MR. SCOTT, WHO LIVES CATTY CORNER FROM THE TOWNHOMES . MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET JUST SENT ME A PICTURE FROM FINISHING THE BOSTON MARATHON. ASK ME TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF. SO EVERYBODY -- IN FACT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SOUTH WAVED ME DOWN AS I WAS DRIVING BY. SHE WAS WATCHING THE KIDS AND ASKED ABOUT THIS EXACT ORDINANCE. SO EVERYBODY IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS. HER DRIVEWAY FACES . SO THAT IS A REAL CHALLENGE FOR HER AS WELL. AGAIN, THANKS TO COUNCILOR AYERS

AND COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> THE FINAL BLUE CARD , SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN. SPEAKING ON AUTO GREENWAY IN OPPOSITION.

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>> OKAY. GREAT. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT. I LIVE IN CENTRAL DISTRICT 655 WATERLILY WAY. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 10 YEARS AS OF JANUARY -- NINE YEARS, EXCUSE ME. WE REALLY LOVE CARMEL . WE MOVED HERE FROM CHICAGO. AND I UNDERSTAND WE JUST LEARNED THERE IS A NEW PROPOSAL FOR A NEW GREEN WAY TO GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS IN SOME DETAIL. MY OPINION IS THAT THE COST BENEFIT IS NOT THERE . WHAT IT WILL DO IS REDUCE THE DISTANCE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND TO WHERE IT WILL DUMP INTO THE . ONLY REDUCES IT BY ABOUT 3/10 OF A MILE. ONLY 9/10 TOTAL. I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALSO SEE A REDUCTION IN CLIMATE IMPACT IN THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO REMOVE SOME TREES. I UNDERSTAND THEY AIM TO MOVE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE BUT YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE SOME GREEN AREA.

I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT. IT WILL IMPACT WILDLIFE IN THE AREA. AND THEN THERE IS WETLAND IN THERE AS WELL. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M REALLY NOT FOR THIS PROPOSAL . WE'VE GOT WAYS AROUND THIS. CITY CENTER. IT IS JUST A LITTLE LONGER, BUT IT IS

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO COUNCIL, MAYORAL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. MAYOR IS NOT HERE TONIGHT SO WE WILL SEE IF ANY COUNCILORS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ARE WORKING ON A LOT OF PROJECT . COUNCILOR LOCKE .

>> SURE. I JUST HAD A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING BACK UP. IT HAS BEEN OBVIOUSLY A YEAR AND A HALF SINCE WE STARTED AS A COUNCIL . A NEW PROCESS. GOING BACK THROUGH ALL THE OLD AGENDAS FROM LAST YEAR JUST TO SEE WHERE WE WERE AND WHAT WE HAVE MOVED ON. FOUND A COUPLE THINGS IN IT FROM THE 415 DATE , WHICH WAS THIS MEETING LAST YEAR, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO PUT INTO THE ETHER. SEE IF WE'VE GOT ANY UPDATES FROM STAFF THAT IS HERE.

FIRST ONE WOULD BE WE MOVED A RESOLUTION TO SEEK OUTSIDE FUNDING SOURCES FOR PROJECT CALLED THE UNION SQUARE SOUTH PROJECT. I'M WONDERING IF THERE WERE ANY UPDATES FROM STAFF OR IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO GET ANY INFORMATION ON THAT. IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS A FOOD HALL BASED PROJECT, AND IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE LOOKING AT KIND OF OUTSIDE FUNDING THAT HAD BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE. I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR A YEAR. WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT OR ANY CONVERSATION FOR THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN ASK THE CITY TO GET BACK TO US.

>> I WOULD LOVE AN UPDATE AS WELL ON THAT. I THINK THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THE COUNCIL AGREED ON. WOULD YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE REDEVELOPMENT AND THEN DIRECTOR FOR NICK WEBER CAN ANSWER THEN? OR YOU WANT TO COMMENT NOW? WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS PREFER? ALL RIGHT. EITHER ONE OF YOU WANT TO ? NICK, COULD YOU? ALL RIGHT.

>> GOOD EVENING. NICK WEBER, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL . THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. THAT IS A SITE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR FOOD HALL. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FOOD HALL CONCEPT IS A VERY COMPLICATED ONE, PARTICULARLY TRYING TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS OF IT WORK . ADD IN TO THE FACT THAT THAT SITE IS NOT WHOLLY-OWNED BY THE CITY CREATES A COMPLICATION. WE DID GO OUT AND LOOK FOR OTHER FUNDING THAT IS EXACTLY ACCURATE. TWO PRIMARY SOURCES. I EDC READY FUNDS. WE SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR THAT. THAT APPLICATION WAS SORT OF A JOINT APPLICATION FOR THE FOOD HALL AND THE EXTENSION THAT WAS RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THERE. AS YOU KNOW, THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. AND I WAS AT A MEETING LAST WEEK WHERE THAT WAS PART OF READY AROUND TWO. THOSE ARE NOT BEING PUSHED OUT YET TO THE COMMUNITIES UNTIL I BELIEVE A THRESHOLD ON READY ONE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE. SO WE WERE AWARDED SOME FUNDS FOR THAT DUALITY OF THE PROJECT, BUT NO DOLLARS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY US OR ANY OTHER IN THE COMMUNITY OUT OF READY TO DO GROUND. THE OTHER PIECE WAS THROUGH THE HAMILTON COUNTY TOURISM AND THEIR BEST PROGRAM.

THIS PROJECT AS STRUCTURE DID NOT QUITE QUALIFY UNDER THAT STRUCTURE, SO WE HAVE THE OPTION OF REAPPLYING, SORT OF AUGMENTING THE PROJECT AND REAPPLYING OR FINDING A

DIFFERENT PROJECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR

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SNYDER ? >> I DID NOT KNOW WE WERE HESITATING ON THIS . WHEN DID WE PASS THAT? A YEAR AGO. I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS. I GUESS I THOUGHT INITIALLY I DID NOT LOVE THE IDEA OF PUTTING A BUNCH OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS INTO A SITE THAT WAS FOR A JOINT VENTURE LIKE WE HAVE DONE . I THINK FINANCES GET MUDDY AND CONVOLUTED. WE HAVE ALL TALKED.

I THINK WE HAVE COME UP -- I THOUGHT WE PRESENTED A PRETTY GOOD ALTERNATIVE . AND I'M GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. THAT'S ONE OF THE LAST ICONIC PARCELS OF LAND ALONG THE MONT ON. NOBODY WANTS TO SEE -- I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO SEE ANOTHER MIXED-USE APARTMENT BUILDING THERE. I THINK THE ISSUE -- SOMETHING WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT IS THE TOURISM DOLLARS THAT DID NOT QUITE MEET THE THRESHOLD PROBABLY BECAUSE IT WAS JOINTLY WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER WHEREAS IF WE BUILD AN ICONIC CIVIC SPACE THAT IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION , I BELIEVE TOURISM WOULD BE MUCH MORE APT TO CONTRIBUTE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THEY COLLECT THE LION SHARE THEIR MONEY FROM THE CARMEL HOTELS. THE IDEA I PUT FORTH WAS -- HENRY STARTED WORKING ON THIS AND MR. WEBER EARLY ON. IT WAS ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE THE NUMBERS WORKED FOR THIS JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN FOOD HALL AND ENTITY . BUT THERE IS A NEED IN CARMEL. WE HAVE THE WORLD'S GREATEST PARKS DEPARTMENT. HANDS DOWN. AND THEY OPERATE OUT OF A HOUSE THAT I GREW UP PLAYING IN AS A CHILD. SO THE IDEA WAS TALKED ABOUT. WELL, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY BUILD A PROPER PARKS DEPARTMENT OFFICE FACILITY . AND THEN THEY COULD MANAGE AND OPERATE THIS FOOD HALL . WE TOOK THAT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SUBSEQUENTLY HAD MEETINGS WITH FOOD HALL DIRECTORS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY . MOST RECENTLY I BELIEVE IN CALIFORNIA. AND I BELIEVE COUNCILOR TAYLOR SAID IT WAS 100% VIABLE.

>> HE BELIEVES HE CAN ACHIEVE A COST RECOVERY MODEL SIMILAR TO THE THEIR SUCCESS OF MEETING 100% COST RECOVERY AT THE

COMMUNITY CENTER. >> THE REASON I LOVE THE PARK'S IDEA OF RUNNING THIS IS, ONE, THERE IS FURTHER JUSTIFICATION OF EXPENDITURES GIVEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OFFICE SPACE, TWO, THEY ARE NOW ON SITE MANAGING A REAL RETAIL OPERATION. PARKS HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF RUNNING RETAIL OPERATIONS AND CITY GOVERNMENT IS NOT SET UP TO DO. PROOF OF THAT IS JUST NOW THEY ARE BEING ENGAGED TO POTENTIALLY TAKE OVER GOLF COURSE AND TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF THE CITY PROVING EVEN MORE SO THE FAITH WE HAVE IN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT TO RUN RETAIL OPERATIONS. LASTLY, WE HAVE ALREADY DUMPED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY ON THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE RIDE ALONG THE MONON THERE THAT WOULD ABOUT THIS BUILDING. SO I DON'T KNOW. WHEN DID THIS PAUSE? I WAS EXCITED TO GET MOVING ON THIS. WHAT HAPPENED?

>> AS YOU INDICATED, DIRECTOR HAS BEEN REACHING OUT TO OTHERS AND HE HAS BEEN KEEPING HENRY AND I IN THE MIX AS IT RELATES TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I DO THINK THE ISSUE AROUND THE BEST -- THAT NOTIFICATION CAME RELATIVELY RECENTLY. THAT FORMAL NOTIFICATION CAME RELATIVELY RECENTLY. BUT I DO KNOW TWO THINGS ON THAT. ONE , IT IS A FORMULA WHICH I CANNOT QUOTE CHAPTER AND VERSE . BUT ONE OF THE KEY PIECES TO RECEIVING FUNDS IT HAS TO DO WITH THE GENERATION OF OVERNIGHT STAYS.

THE ASSET IN WHICH THEY ARE FUNDING. AND IT IS A CAPITAL ASSET AND HAS TO BE USED FOR CAPITAL ASSET PURPOSES.

GENERATING OVERNIGHT STAYS. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN THEIR ANALYSIS OF A STANDALONE FOOD HALL. WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD COME TO CARMEL, USE THE FOOD HALL, AND THEN SPEND THE NIGHT. THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THOSE DOLLARS IS THEY STILL ARE IN A POT OF FUNDS. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN USED IN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY. THERE STILL AVAILABLE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, WHETHER IT IS THIS RETOOLED OR ANOTHER PROJECT GOING FORWARD. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FINANCIAL PEACE TO TOUCH ON GRID AS IT RELATES TO A USE, I THINK A FOOD HALL CONCEPT COULD WORK IN A

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AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE , PARKING WILL BE A CHALLENGE. I THINK FOR US TO LAND ON A PROGRAM, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE FOOD HALL WITH THOSE OTHER PIECE IS STILL IN QUESTION, IT JUST HASN'T ALL GELLED,

UNFORTUNATELY, TOGETHER . >> JUST BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THIS IS THE BEST USE. THIS IS AMAZING.

CAN DO IT FAST. I HAD MY RESERVATIONS. Y'ALL SOLD ME ON IT AND I GOT BEHIND IT. SO IT IS A LITTLE -- PARKING, THOUGH, I THOUGHT THERE WAS TALK OF A WHOLE OTHER GARAGE. A CITY GARAGE. TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE ABOUT HIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR HIS STREET , WHICH LITERALLY WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT -- COUNCILORS -- COUNCILOR AYERS HAS GENERATED A WHOLE REGIONAL PARKING STUDY, AND I BELIEVE IT IS GOING TO SHOW THAT WE NEED A GARAGE. SO THAT PARKS THE PLACE AND PARKS MORE EVENTS HERE JUST

AROUND CITY CENTER. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS. I THINK THIS IS VERY DOABLE. I

THINK PARKS CAN MAKE A CHAMPION. >> I CAN'T UNDERSCORE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THAT PIECE. I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED IT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW WHERE I STAND. AS A COUNCILOR, I COULD NOT GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU ASK MY QUESTION ABOUT THE

PARKING. >> COUNCILOR AYERS .

>> SO IF THE HOTEL IS CURRENTLY -- WE ARE ABOUT TO BUILD MORE HOTELS. ARE WE SAYING THE CURRENT ONES ARE NOT AT CAPACITY OR WHATEVER UNTIL -- WE ARE BUILDING MORE. NOW THIS CONCERNS ME THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ON MORE HOTELS AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE FILLED AND OUR BUSINESSES .

>> SO I THINK BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE SEEN FROM OUR THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANTS, THE HOTEL MARKET REMAINS VERY STRONG IN CARMEL. IT HAS ESSENTIALLY FULLY RECOVERED FROM COVID AND CONTINUES TO GROW. CARMEL UNLIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES ESSENTIALLY HAS A SEVEN-DAY HOTEL UTILIZATION BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN DRIVE HOTEL ACTIVITY DURNG THE WEEK. SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS STRUGGLE WITH THAT. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT TELLS ME THE TOTAL THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME SORT OF CAPACITY AT HOTEL ROOMS HERE IN CARMEL.

>> COUNCILOR JOSHI . >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT THIS FOOD HALL WAS NOT JUST A FOOD HALL. THIS WAS OFFICE SPACE, WHAT YOU HAVE ALSO COME TO US NUMEROUS TIMES SAYING WE NEED MORE OF IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. SO I DO THINK THE OFFICE PIECE OF THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE PARKING PIECE OF IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. THE FOOD HALL ITSELF WHILE IT MAY NOT BE AN ATTRACTION FOR THE ONLY REASON YOU WOULD COME OVERNIGHT CERTAINLY SATISFIES A GREATER NEED IN THAT AREA WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO ALL OF THE EVENTS THAT OCCUR AT THE PALLADIUM AND AT THE TARKINGTON -- PEOPLE OFTEN HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO GRAB A QUICK BITE TO EAT BEFORE ONE OF THESE PERFORMANCES AND WILL OFTEN EAT SOMEWHERE ELSE -- MAYBE EVEN OUTSIDE OF CARMEL -- WHEN THEY ARE COMING INTO CARMEL FOR A PERFORMANCE INSTEAD OF SPENDING THEIR DOLLARS HERE IN CARMEL, WHICH IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE AND I WOULD THINK THE TOURISM BOARD WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ENCOURAGE. SO I THINK HAVING THAT KIND OF A STRUCTURE WHERE IT MEETS MULTIPLE NEEDS SEEMED TO BE A GOOD PROJECT. AND IT SEEMED TO COHESIVELY CONNECT THIS DISTRICT. SO I THINK IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT AND MAYBE HELP US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE CAN MOVE THIS PERHAPS FORWARD , IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> SURE. SO YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT . THERE IS A REAL NEED, PARTICULARLY IN THAT PART OF THE CITY, FOR THAT TYPE OF DINING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO POTENTIAL OFFICE DEVELOPERS ABOUT IS , HOW DO WE PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF DINING MAYBE NOT IN A TRUE FOOD HALL BUT FROM A USER STANDPOINT THEY HAVE OPTIONS. IT MIGHT BE AT VARIOUS PRICE POINTS. IT MIGHT BE FASTER. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE ? YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE ONE OPERATOR WHO HAS FIVE CONCEPTS IN THIS SPACE. HAD MORE ECLECTIC CONCEPTS. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT . IN THE SPACE. AND SO YOU AS A

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AND THAT IS USUALLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT RESIDENTIAL OFFICE BALANCE. AS THE OFFICE WORKERS LEAVE, THE RESIDENTS COME BACK.

SO THAT WILL BE -- I THINK CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE OPTIMIZATION OF FUTURE PARKING. ALTHOUGH I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE PARKING STUDY. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER.

>> AND JUST TO PUT A POINT WHY I ASKED, WE OBVIOUSLY MADE A RESOLUTION TO GO AFTER TWO GRANT FUNDS . ONE FROM THE COUNTY, ONE FROM THE STATE JUST TO KIND OF STRUCTURE AROUND AN IDEA THAT FIT WITHIN THE SCOPE AND PROCESS . OBVIOUSLY PASSOVER FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION TO HEAR BUT CARRYING ON OF THAT LEGACY, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT TOOK A BIT TO GET EXCITED ABOUT FOR ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS HARD BUT THE DATA WAS THERE AND WE APPROVED TO GO AFTER THAT. LIKE I SAID, GOING BACK A YEAR TRYING TO LOOK AT WHERE WERE WE AND WHAT ARE WE DOING TRYING TO GET A FEELING FOR IT, THE FACT THAT THOSE TWO GRANTS ARE KIND OF OUTSTANDING FOR A YEAR -- WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE KNOWN OR WOULD LOVE TO KNOW NOW, IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT? THIS IDEA? OR ARE THERE PIVOTS TO GOING AFTER THAT REVENUE ? THE STRUCTURE HERE IS EVERY YEAR THAT WE MISS OR EVERY TIME WE GO AFTER A GRANT LIKE THIS MAKE A RESOLUTION TO PUT OUR SUPPORT BEHIND IT ENSURING THAT WE ARE MOVING IN A PROGRESS LIKE WAY TOO WILL DOUBT THAT -- BUILD THE THINGS WE STARTED TO PULL TOGETHER AS A CITY. I HAD ALMOST FORGOTTEN THAT WE PAID THAT RESOLUTION AND JUST WANTED AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE WERE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IF THERE IS A NEED TO PIVOT, WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE. NECESSARY BEHIND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE TWO SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCES. THAT MAY BE PARAMOUNT TO CONTINUING OUR GROWTH AS A CITY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE MOVING. SO THAT WAS MY INTENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

GOT ANYTHING. >> I WILL JUST SAY PROBABLY TO RECAP -- RECAPTURE IT, THE BEST FUNDING LUCKILY IS STILL THERE.

IT IS STILL AVAILABLE. WE HAVE TO OPERATE IN THE RUBRIC OF EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTY IN THAT PROGRAM, BUT I DO THINK IT WILL BE ATTAINABLE FOR US. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF HAVING THE RIGHT PROJECT. AND WE CONTINUE TO HOPE THAT IEDC AND THE STATE WILL RELEASE THOSE DOLLARS TO US. AND IF THEY DO BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF OUR APPLICATION, I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT IT TOWARD SOME OF THE WORK WE HAVE DONE ON THE MONON GREENWATER . SO IT WILL STILL BE A REAL VALUE ADD. AND FINALLY, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN TERMS OF THE NEED THAT COUNCILOR JOSHI REFERENCED ABOUT THAT TYPE OF SERVICE IN THAT AREA. SO I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES -- THE STRUCTURE OF IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN ELUSIVE TO THIS POINT BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE GIVEN UP ON.

>> ONE MORE CLARIFYING POINT IT IS THE INTENT TO CHANGE WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER FOR THAT BEST FUNDING ? YOU SAID IT COULD BE USED FOR THE MONON PIECE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS ALLOCATED IN SOME WAY AS WE MADE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE SPECIFIC PROJECT. THIS SPACE IS THE FINAL LEGO PIECE IN THE CONNECTIVITY ON RANGELINE. HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE IN WHAT WE ARE THINKING

OF APPLYING? >> FOR THE BEST FUNDING? YEAH. I THINK IT IS A MATTER OF AS WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS A FOOD COMPONENT, HOW WILL IT SCORE? IT COMES DOWN TO THE SCORING THAT WE DO NOT CONTROL OF, WILL THIS WORK ? IF IT DOESN'T WORK, MIGHT JUST BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PROJECT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY . THAT MONEY CONTINUES TO COLLECT. FIND ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WILL SCORE BETTER.

>> ANY OTHER COUNCILORS ? COUNCILOR SNYDER .

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>> I GUESS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WAS IN THIS STANDALONE FIELD HALL THAT LOOKED REALLY COOL . IT DID. I KNOW IT WAS A RENDERING . THEN AT SOME POINT IT CHANGED AND IT BECAME THIS PARTNERSHIP OFFICE COMPLEX . I WOULD NOT CALL IT A FOOD HALL. I WOULD CALL IT A FOOD COURT. AND I WAS OUT. I'M JUST NOT INTERESTED . IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING ICONIC FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IS NOT COMPLICATED OR CONVOLUTED, THEN WE NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE. AND WHY I THINK THAT THAT OCCASION IS AS I STATED THE LAST PIECE. WE'VE ALREADY GOT INVESTMENT IN ALL THE PLAYGROUND SPACE. IT OFFERS PEOPLE LIKE ME , WHO HAS TWO KIDS , THE ABILITY TO GO HANG OUT ON THE MONON AND THEN IF INCLEMENT WEATHER COMES IN, YOU GO INSIDE. I KNOW THE PARKS CAN PROGRAM THAT NOT ONLY FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS BUT FOR THEIR SUMMER CAMPS. THE COST RECOVERY FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS LOCKED IN AND WE MANDATE THAT. WE MANDATED THAT THE MONON NOT LOSE MONEY. AND IT MAKES MONEY . WHEN I SAY , WE, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME BEFORE ME. THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE TAXPAYERS HAVING TO DUMP MONEY INTO A PUBLIC SPACE. BUT GIVEN EVERYTHING WE HAVE ALREADY PUT IN TO THAT DISTRICT , THAT IS KIND OF -- THAT LAST PIECE -- AND I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN THE HARDEST SO AND I CAME AROUND PRETTY QUICKLY AND GOT MOTIVATED. WE HAVE FUNDED EVERYTHING IN CARMEL IN SOME CREATIVE WAY OR BLACK MAGIC OR ANYTHING. SO TO HEAR THAT THERE IS NOT A WAY TO BUILD SOMETHING PURELY FOR THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT -- THAT WOULD BLOW MY MIND. I GUESS MAYBE, ADAM, YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH ALL THE COUNSELORS, BUT I THINK NVIDIA PEER WAS ANTICIPATING THIS ICONIC WELDING THAT WAS STANDALONE. THE OFFICE SPACE COMPONENT THAT DR. JOSHI WAS TALKING ABOUT -- RICH HAD A PHENOMENAL IDEA WITH WRAPPING THE GARAGE IN SOME FASHION. THE PUBLIC GARAGE, WHICH WOULD BE A RECOVERY DEPENDING ON HOW THE TIF SHAKES OUT. ANY COMMERCIAL SPACE. AT LEAST BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR FOOD VENDORS WOULD BE . SO THERE IS REVENUE GENERATION. I DO THINK IT IS A COMPONENT THAT KEEPS PEOPLE HERE OVERNIGHT. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT. I GUESS , DID ANYBODY HERE NOT THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE ? WE ALL GOT ON BOARD WITH IT. SO NOW WE ARE ON BOARD . AND I THINK WILLING TO FUND IT CREATIVELY OR NOT FOR THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE TO PUSH

FOR IT. >> YEAH. I WILL MAKE SOME FINAL COMMENTS. WE CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE -- HAVE CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON THIS. I THINK CARMEL RECENTLY GOT SECOND BEST PLACE TO LIVE.

WE ARE TOP OF THIS LIST SO MUCH, SOMETIMES I CAN'T EVEN KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE LISTS WITH CARMEL. BUT PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT AMENITIES THAT THE PUBLIC GETS TO ENJOY . IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL WEATHER DAY OUT TO MIDTOWN PLAZA. IT WILL BE SO PACKED WITH FAMILIES AND KIDS ENJOYING SOMETHING TO EAT. AN HOUR WAIT AT ALL THE RESTAURANTS, WHICH IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT IT SHOWS THERE IS A DESIRE FOR PEOPLE TO MEET AND GATHER AND BE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT MAKES THIS NOT JUST A CITY BUT A COMMUNITY. AND HERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF CONTINUING THAT RECIPE WE HAVE ALREADY KIND OF SCENE THAT WAS WORKING IN MIDTOWN PLAZA BUT WITH AN INDOOR CONCEPT AND WITH AN IDEA WHERE NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE BURGERS AND PIZZA. AND I LIKE BURGERS AND PIZZA, BUT WE NEED SOME OTHER FOOD OPTIONS IN CARMEL TOO, AND THIS WOULD LEND ITSELF TO THAT. I'VE HAD RESIDENTS ASKED ME ABOUT THAT. THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS IDEA. IT HAS KIND OF BEEN SILENT. I GUESS MY FRUSTRATION IS THAT THE COUNCIL TOOK THE ACTION OF VOTING ON A RESOLUTIO% TO SAY , WE SUPPORT THIS IDEA.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL DID BEFORE THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL WAS BILLED. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL DID BEFORE MANY OF OUR PROJECTS , BUT THIS PROJECT COUNCIL WAS BROUGHT IN AND ASKED OUR OPINION AHEAD OF TIME , AND THEN NOTHING. THE COMMUNICATION DIED OFF. SO YOU ASKED FOR OPINION. WE GAVE IT.

AND NOW WE ARE NOT HEARING ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE PROCEEDING. THAT IS A FRUSTRATION TO ME. I HAVE HAD PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC ASK ABOUT IT TOO. I HAVE TO TELL THEM, ASK THE MAYOR. ASK CITY HALL. WE

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IDEA. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I CAN ASK IT DURING HENRY'S PROCESS. JUST A COUPLE UPDATES. REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON, NEXT UP WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA. I'M SORRY TO MOVE ALONG. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ? I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING THOUGH. CONGRATULATIONS TO DR. JOSHI FOR HER INTERFAITH AWARD THAT SHE WON RECENTLY . SO, THANK YOU

FOR YOUR WORK. >>

>> JUST A REMINDER THAT THE HOUSING TASK FORCE COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING ON THURSDAY , 9:30 A.M. , HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED , PLEASE COME AND

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

JOIN US. >> AWESOME. MOVING ON, WE HAVE IT CONSENT AGENDA. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. MARCH 17TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING. APRIL 3RD, 2025 SPECIAL MEETING. APRIL 7TH, 2025 SPECIAL EMERGENCY MEETING . AND CLAIMS THE AMOUNT PAYROLL .

GENERAL CLAIMS IN $1,727,617.07 . AND WIRE TRANSFERS IN THE

AMOUNT OF $4,452,758. MOTION? >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL DO ROLL CALL VOTE.

>>

[10.a. Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee]

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES. NEXT UP WE HAVE MERRILL VETOES. WE HAVE NONE. COMMITTEE REPORTS. FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES

COMMITTEE. COUNSELOR TAYLOR. >> YES. WE HAVE NOT MET. WE MEET ON TUESDAY , THE 13TH . MAY 13TH . WE WILL BE REVIEWING THE PRESENTATION OVER THE CAPITAL FUN ORDINANCE AND ANY OTHER ITEMS ASSIGNED TO THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME. TUESDAY, MAY 13TH

[10.b. Land Use and Special Studies Committee]

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SNYDER.

>> OUR NEXT MEETING IS THIS COMING WEDNESDAY. 5:30 IN THE LIBRARY. BASED ON WHAT I SEE IN THE AGENDA, A DENSE MEETING. WE WILL TRY TO GET THEM BACK OUT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL BE POTENTIALLY FINALIZING IS THE GROUP HOME ORDINANCE. PUTTING THE FINAL POLISH ON THAT AND GETTING THAT BACK TO YOU AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE OMNIBUS OF THIS COMMITTEE'S WORK LAST YEAR AND A HALF . POSSIBLY HAVING SOMETHING TO BRING BACK FOR SOME

CHANGES TO IT. >> THANK YOU. ALL THE REPORTS .

NOT DOING IT TONIGHT. I TALKED TO COUNCILOR LOCKE . I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCILOR LOCKE TO GIVE AN UPDATE. HE IS GOING TO

[11.a. Carmel Redevelopment Commission (Monthly)]

AUTHORITY TOO, DON'T YOU? OKAY. >> AT EVENING . CITY COUNCIL.

HERE TO PRESENT SOME OF OUR ACTIVITY FOR THE PREVIOUS MONTH.

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>> IS ANYTHING COMING THROUGH? THERE WE GO. OKAY. HI, EVERYONE.

QUICKLY GO THROUGH ACTIVITY. CITY CENTER CONTINUES TO GET BUILT OUT. INCLUDING THE OFFICE SPACE ALONG THE WINDSOR ALONG THE MONON. I DID WANT TO NOTE THIS IS THE SIR JOHNSON STATUE CALLED MY 60-YEAR-OLD JAZZ DREAMS. AND THIS SET IS NOW FINALLY FINISHED. IT HAS TAKEN ABOUT A YEAR. SO JUST LAST WEEK THE FINAL PIECE OF THIS WHERE THE PLAQUES THAT YOU CAN SEE PICTURED HERE THAT DESCRIBE DETAIL SOME FACTS ABOUT EACH OF THE SIX MUSICIANS. THERE IS ALSO A GRAMOPHONE ACROSS THE SIDEWALK WHERE YOU CAN TURN THE CRANK AND IT WILL PLAY SOME OF THE MUSIC BY EACH ONE OF THESE MUSICIANS AND TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THEM. SO FEEL FREE TO CHECK THAT OUT. I DO WANT TO THANK THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR HOW MUCH WORK THEY PUT IN HELPING US MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THE ONE ON SQUARE NORTH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

NICE SEEING THAT PROJECT FULL STEAM AHEAD. I REMIND EVERYONE THAT YELLOW BUILDING IS AN ALL CONDO BUILDING. FIRST ON MAIN CONTINUES WITH THEIR CONDO BUILDOUT . MAGNOLIA IS CONTINUING ITS BUILDINGS . CONSTRUCTION HAS NOW BEGUN ON CIVIC SQUARE CONDOS. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ONE OF THOSE, I THINK THERE IS A FOR SALE SIGN FOR THOSE NOW ON THE FENCE IN FRONT OF THAT PROJECT OR THAT IS GOING TO WRAP THE CIVIC SQUARE PARKING GARAGE. VIBRANT, URBAN PROJECT. THE CROSSING CONTINUES . THAT PROJECT. REPUBLIC HEADQUARTERS. THAT CONTINUES TO GET BUILT OUT. CITY OF TWO IS TAKING SHAPE WITH THE RETAIL THERE FILLING UP. I HOPE OUR CITIZENS CITIZENS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK OUT 1933 LOUNGE, WHICH IS NOW OPEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING. ADDITIONALLY, JUMPING OVER TO OLD MAIN STREET. ICON CONTINUES TO GET BUILT OUT. A LOT OF PROGRESS GOING ON. THAT PUBLIC PLAZA WILL OPEN IN EARLY 2027 FOR OUR ENJOY . LOTS OF PROGRESS GOING ON ON THE AT&T SITE. THE BANK EXPANSION. APARTMENT BUILDING. AND PROBABLY ONE FINAL EXCITING THING TO NOTE IS PLAZA IS MOVING FORWARD . THEY ARE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT. YOU SEE THAT BLOCK HAS BEEN -- HALF BLOCK HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. AND WE ARE ALL READY FOR THIS BUILDING GET STARTED . AND IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. I DO WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING. THERE IS A WEBSITE . IF ANYONE IS EVER INTERESTED IN WHAT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY ARE WHAT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, I WOULD LIKE TO GUIDE TO THE CHOOSE CARMEL IN .COM WEBSITE. ONE OF THE THINGS IT SHOWS YOU IS PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. THERE IS AN ADDITION TO THIS PAGE NOW. THIS WAS WORKED ON BY SHANE BURNHAM. HE IS A SPECIALIST IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND IT WAS WITH THE HELP OF KELLY DOUGLAS AND OUR FRIENDS AT MAC THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER . BUT NOW INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE, WHICH YOU COULD CLICK ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AND KIND OF SEE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES. AND BOTH IN THE CURRENT PROJECTS AND COMPLETED PROJECTS . WE HAVEN'T HAD A WAY FOR SOMEONE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE RELATIVE TO OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. THANKS TO THIS NEW GIS MAP, YOU CAN NOW FIND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS.

ALSO WHERE THEY ARE FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT. SO HERE I AM CLICKING ON ONE OF THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS ONE SPECIFIC PROJECT. COOL. IT TAKES ME TO A TAB AND SHOWS THAT PROJECT. SO NOW FOR OUR RESIDENTS LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF TRANSPARENCY WHERE WE SHOW WHERE THE TIF WAS USED FOR IN THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES, YOU CAN GET THEM FROM LOOKING AT A MENU OF IMAGES BUT ALSO THROUGH A MAP. AGAIN, I WANT TO SHOUT OUT KELLY AND SHANE FROM ENGINEERING THAT HELPED US PUT THAT TOGETHER. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION .

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START WITH COUNCILOR TAYLOR FIRST .

COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> JUST BECAUSE I RECEIVED THE

[00:45:01]

>> ALL OF THOSE ARE CORRECT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, AFTER WE CONTRIBUTED THE PARCELS, THE DEVELOPERS ALSO BUILDING OUT SIDEWALK GRANDER THAN THEY EVER WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE. AND THEN THIS ALLEY IS BEING DEDICATED PRETTY LARGE PIECE OF LAND.

ABOUT $200,000 WITH THE LAND DEDICATED BACK TO THE CITY FOR A FUTURE ALLEY . BUT YOU WERE ALSO RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SAID

AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNCILOR LOCKE . >> SURE. MY QUESTION. SAME MEETING LAST YEAR WE STARTED THE PROCESS TALKING ABOUT . CITY OF TWO. UPDATES TO SIDEWALKS TO MAKE THEM A.D.A. COMPLIANT. IT WAS WHEN WE MOVED IN AS WELL. THERE WAS DISCUSSION. I'M JUST WONDERING. UPDATE ON THOSE . IF THEY HAVE BEEN FIXED. LOOKING FOR AN UPDATE ON THE TAVERN ON THE GREEN PROJECT AS WELL.

>> I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSON HIM ONE SIDEWALKS. I THINK THAT HAS BEEN GENERALLY RESOLVED. I KNOW TONY HAS BEEN WORKING. THAT IS A DEVELOPER WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM. AND I THINK HE IS MAKING THOSE CHANGES. YOUR

SECOND QUESTION ? >> YEAH. THE TAVERN ON THE GREEN. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOME RESTAURANTS . I THINK BECAUSE DEVELOPERS GOT RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE STREET AND WAS TEMPORARILY OUT UNTIL -- I THINK THEY ARE LEASING UP NOW, BUT I THINK THAT GAVE DEVELOPERS SOME PAUSE TO THINK THROUGH THE

PROPER TIMING. >> COUNCILOR ?

>> YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD. SPECIFIC ONE WITH THE RETAIL AROUND THE MUSE AND THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. I CANNOT THINK OF THE NAME TO SAVE MY LIFE RIGHT NOW.

ANY UPDATES ON THAT? >> AT ON OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE BMO IS. IT IS NOT A CRC PROJECT SO I WAS NOT TRACKING THAT. I BELIEVE FOR THE MUSE THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED A NAIL SALON, A THAI PLACE , A SUSHI PLACE , AND A REALLY, REALLY FANCY SPA THAT IS COMING AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED THAT, BUT THERE IS A FANCY SPA. SORRY. I WILL COME UP WITH A NAME.

>> I THINK WE WOULD ALL ENJOY A FANCY SPA.

>> THIS ONE IS TWO FLOORS. IT IS FANCY.

>> NICE. THE PERCENTAGE. WHAT WOULD THAT BE?

>> I WOULD SAY THEY ARE MOSTLY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER .

>> THANK YOU. >> ONE, CAN YOU GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE TRAIL THAT CONNECTS TO THE VETERANS TRAIL TO CREATE THE LOOP ? WHAT IS THE FEEDBACK YOU HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE ROAST DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS INTEGRATING THE VETERANS TRAIL THROUGH THEIR ? HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THEM ?

>> I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO OUR CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER AND ENGINEERING FRIENDS ON THAT SINCE IT HAS TO DO WITH

HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE. >> GOOD EVENING. JEREMY. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. I MET WITH THEM LAST WEEK. WE COORDINATED BACK AND FORTH. SCANNING SOMETHING. I WAS PASS THAT INFORMATION ALONG AS WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IS GET THE GREENWAY TO COME ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF POINT BACK TOWARD OLD MERIDIAN. SO AS YOU ARE COMING NORTH INTO THE SITE , PROBABLY ALSO CREATE A CONNECTION OVER THAT WILL THEN BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE SIDEWALK DIRECTLY INTO THE PARK. THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS OVER THE GREENWAY POINTING DIRECTLY INTO THE PUBLIC PLAZA . SO IF YOU WERE JUST BICYCLISTS RIDING IN AN AREA -- WE CAME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION.

>> AND THEN ARE YOU KEEPING IN MIND -- THIS VETERANS TRAIL IDEALLY -- IT'S ALREADY GOING TO GO PAST THE VFW. AND ALSO HOW

[00:50:01]

WELL. >> YEAH. I HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT FULLY VETTED OUT YET, BUT I THINK SOME OF THAT, HE LEFT FOR WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE. BUT THERE ARE

SOME OPTIONS. >> THIS NEXT QUESTION I HAVE PROBABLY MIGHT IMPACT YOU AS WELL. I BROUGHT IT TO YOU . MADE NO SECRET OF MY FRUSTRATION. I POINT DIRECTLY TO PROSCENIUM TWO. A LANE OF TRAFFIC FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS. ONLY REPLACE THAT LANE. I SENT YOU CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. I'VE GOT ONE PULLED UP HERE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT WHENEVER A DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS A ROAD, THE ROAD SHALL BE REPLACED CURB TO CURB . STILL LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING DATA REQUIREMENT. AND ON THAT SUBJECT AS WELL , A LOT OF THIS WILL BE DONE BY COUNCILOR AYERS ' PARKING STUDY, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE EVEN WHISPERED TO DEVELOPERS THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VALET PARKING? WHEN IN THE PROCESS DOES THAT HAPPEN?

>> FIRST THING, YES, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THOSE STANDARDS. THAT IS A DISCUSSION I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP YET BECAUSE SPRING BREAK TIME FOR HIM. BUT WE WILL DO THAT.

>> AND I WASN'T CRITICAL. >> ON THE VALET SPOT, GENERALLY AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH, WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSIONS . THEY DON'T COME UP OFTEN, BUT MORE FREQUENT.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY. IT SEEMS LIKE A TREND HERE.

>> SPORTS MEDICINE. THEN I WENT INTO ERGONOMICS. AND THEN OF COURSE ELECTED OFFICIAL. YOU KNOW, I WAS AN OKAY ATHLETE IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT IT WAS REALLY ABOUT PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT.

THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME.

>> I WOULD AGREE. WIDE CARMEL TAB THAT SHOWS OUR AWARDS. WIDE CARMEL IS SO GREAT. SCHOOLS. PARKS AND RECREATION. IT IS VERY

MUCH PUBLIC AFETY . >> LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

COUNCILOR LOCKE BROUGHT UP TAVERN ON THE GREEN. HOW DO WE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT INSIDE PRESIDIUM ONE IS . WHERE IS THAT CONNECT TO THE PARKS HAVE IT ON THEIR WEBSITE?

>> IF I COULD SPEND SOME TIME TO WORK THROUGH THAT , WE CAN GET

SOMETHING THAT WORKS. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNCILOR LOCKE . >> ONE TO GO WITH THE THEME OF LOOKING AT THE PAST AND LOOKING AT THE FUTURE. WONDERING BY BLANK. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CLOSING UP AND UPDATES ON THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY MOVING. NOT A TON OF NEW CONVERSATIONS AND NEW STRUCTURES OCCURRING. I WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE OUT AS WE ARE GETTING OUR FEET UNDER US TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION WE ARE HEADING SPECIFICALLY ON THE REDEVELOPMENT SIDE, WHICH IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR CITY BUILDING FOR SO LONG . JUST THE CONCEPT OF WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE HEADED? OTHER THINGS IN THE PIPELINE? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US TRADE SECRETS FOR THINGS

[00:55:01]

>> I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE A NUMBER OF STATEMENTS ON ITS FOCUS, WHICH IS A DUAL FOCUS ON KIND OF CONTINUING TO BUILD OUT ALONG WITH A SPECIAL FOCUS ON U.S. 31 BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY THE FUTURE OF WHERE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE. AND I THINK THAT UNDER MAYOR'S GUIDANCE , MY BOSS , NICK , I HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS, AND I WILL TRY TO GET BACK TO YOU ON WHAT KIND OF SPECIFICS THE ADMINISTRATION ONCE TO PRESENT GOING FORWARD THAT MEETS YOUR REQUEST . BUT I THINK WE HAVE A FAIRLY ROBUST STRATEGY ABOUT CONTINUING THE PROGRESS WE HAVE HAD SO FAR AND REALLY PUSHING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL WITH ALL THE

U.S. 31 POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER .

>> YEAH. >> HENRY, YOU HAVE CLEARLY HANDLED A DIFFICULT TASK PRETTY DARN WELL BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE -- RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU DISAGREE. WE ARE SO DEEP IN THE CENTRAL CORE. WE WOULD LIKE TO FINISH IT. BUT THEN WE TELL YOU TO FINISH IT AND WE TELL YOU NO MORE APARTMENTS. COMING UP WITH CREATIVE WAYS TO REDEVELOP OUR CENTRAL CORE I'M SURE HAS NOT BEEN EASY, BUT I THINK MAYBE WHAT COUNCILOR LOCKE IS ALSO ASKING IS, WE SUPPORT YOU. KEEP BRINGING THIS IDEA. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO. WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT IN THE CENTRAL CORE. I THINK THAT IS WHERE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS. LET'S FINISH SOMETHING. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE 31 CORRIDOR -- AND I THINK I TALKED TO NICK ABOUT THIS. THERE IS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE TABLE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT HAS BEEN KIND OF FLOATING AROUND. AND I KNOW KIND OF EAGER MOVING ON THAT. HOTEL AND SHOPPING AND

PLANNED RESTAURANTS . >> I WANT TO BE DELICATE WITH EVERYBODY'S TIME AND NOT RESENTING SOMETHING UNTIL IT IS FULLY READY FOR LIMELIGHT. SO I WILL DEFER TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR WHEN EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE ABOUT BRINGING NEW PROJECTS

BEFORE THIS BODY. >> YOU ARE STILL MEETING WITH

THEM SO IT IS MOVING ON TRACK. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER , ASKED THE MAYOR ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS TODAY, AND WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THERE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPER IS STILL WORKING ON PLANS ON ITS END, SO IT IS NOT THE CITY STOPPING ANYTHING. WE ARE WAITING FOR THE DEVELOPER. AND I THINK THEY HAD ORIGINALLY WANTED TO SEE SOME HOPEFULLY. YOU DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE UPDATES. I KNOW WE GIVE YOU TOUGH QUESTIONS , BUT FROM THE COUNCILORS I'VE TALKED TO, YOU HAVE THE COUNCILOR'S TRUST . HE ALWAYS TELL IT TO US STRAIGHT, GIVE US THE FACTS WHETHER WE LIKE TO HEAR IT OR NOT, WHICH WE APPRECIATE. IT IS IMPORTANT. I DO WANT TO ECHO COUNCILOR SNYDER'S COMMENTS ABOUT VALET PARKING, SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO 1933. I REMEMBER DURING BEFORE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTION STARTED. A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE VALET CARS SHOULD TRAVEL. WOULD THERE BE HEADLIGHTS FLASHING INTO THE HOMES ? I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE CANNOT HAVE VALET PARKING, BUT TO ME THE REASON YOU HAVE IT IS I THINK THERE WAS ONE PROJECT WHERE SOMEONE SAID, WHY DO WE NEED VALET PARKING? THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING. WELL, IT IS A VERY NICE RESTAURANT. OUR CUSTOMERS EXPECT IT DID I GET THAT, BUT IS CREATING SOMEWHAT OF A BURDEN OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD FOR AN AMENITY THAT MAY NOT BE WARRANTED. SO I JUST WANT TO

[01:00:01]

>> I WILL JUST SAY THAT ANY CONVERSATION I HAVE EVER HAD ABOUT VALET PARKING ALWAYS INCLUDED OUR FRIENDS FROM ENGINEERING AND OUR FRIENDS FROM . AND IT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT IS FULLY THOUGHT OUT . I MEAN, EVEN 1933 LOUNGE , I CAN REMEMBER MOVING A COUPLE -- MOVING AROUND HOW THE PARKING WAS GOING TO BE SITUATED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT TO A POINT WHERE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EVERY RESTAURANT THAT HAS VALET PARKING , BUT AS WE TRY TO OFFER CHOICES AND THE HIGHER END AMENITIES THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR , WE NEED ALL SORTS OF RESTAURANTS AND SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT TO CELEBRATE A FANCY ANNIVERSARY AND YOU KIND OF EXPECT AND VALET PARKING TO BE THERE. BUT THAT IS NEVER A DECISION THAT ONE DEPARTMENT MAKES. THAT IS ALWAYS A TEAM MEMBER.

>> ALL RIGHT. FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT UPDATE REAL QUICK BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE

[11.b. Carmel Historic Preservation Commission (Quarterly – January, April, July, October)]

>> I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE MET.

>> OKAY. THAT GIVES THE UPDATE. NEXT UP WE WILL CALL THE CARMEL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR ITS QUARTERLY UPDATE.

>> GOOD EVENING , COUNCILORS. I AM MARK WITH THE CARMEL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION . AND WHAT I WILL BE REPORTING ON TONIGHT ARE JUST SOME ONGOING PROJECTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON TO CONTINUE BUILDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND PRESERVING LANDMARK PROPERTIES HERE IN THE CITY FOR THE FIRST ONE I'M GOING TO CHAT ABOUT IS THE HOUSE ON PROPERTY. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BEFORE. THE COMMISSION HAVE EXTENDED THE PROTECTION ON THAT PROPERTY INTO MARCH OF THIS YEAR JUST GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE WERE UNCERTAIN AS TO ITS FATE AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING. MARIETTA DID START MINING IN THE AREA CLOSER TO THE HOUSE , BUT WHAT WE UNDERSTAND NOW AND WE DECIDED NOT TO EXTEND PROTECTION INTO APRIL IS THAT AN AGREEMENT IS BEING NEGOTIATED BETWEEN PARKS DEPARTMENT , THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, AND MARIETTA, THAT WILL INDEED SEE THE HOUSE MOVE . SO HOPEFULLY IT IS ALL GOING TO COME OUT WITH A POSITIVE OUTCOME , WHEREAS AT ONE TIME IT WAS DESTINED FOR DEMOLITION. SO THE HOUSE WILL BE LANDMARKED BY THE COMMISSION AND BROUGHT TO YOU AS WELL. AND WILL BE RESTORED. SO IT WILL HAVE A VERY POSITIVE OUTCOME. NEXT, THE COMMISSION DID APPROVE PRESERVATION PLANS FOR A PROPERTY ON CHERRY TREE ROAD IN JANUARY AND THE LONG-AWAITED WILKINSON HOUSE PROPERTY ON SMOKY ROAD AT THEIR MARCH MEETING. AND SO WE ANTICIPATE -- BECAUSE I WANT TO BRING THOSE TO YOU TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME SO WE ARE NOT SORT OF NOW AND THEN BRINGING THESE TWO. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH WE WILL HAVE THOSE. IF WE NEED TO WORK TO GET THE ORDINANCES DRAWN UP , THEN WE WILL HAVE THOSE TO YOU. WE DID OPEN OUR SPRING ROUND FOR OUR FACADE GRANTS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY WHO ARE ON THE CARMEL HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE SURVEY. WE NOT ONLY SEND OUT LETTERS OF NOTIFICATION TO ALL OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS , BUT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE EVERY ROUND WE DO THAT, SO THEY ARE AWARE BUT THEN ALSO HELD IN INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WE INVITED THEM TO JESSICA COULD COME AND LEARN ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHAT WAS EXPECTED OF THEM AS A GRANT RECIPIENT IF THEY WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH . SO ALSO WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS THIS YEAR THAT WERE APPROVED IN THIS QUARTER.

SO WE DECIDED WE WOULD DO A TRAINING SESSION FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE . THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO . TO MAINTAIN THE TRAINING PROCESS OF FOLKS WHO ARE APPOINTED TO BE COMMISSIONERS . AND SO WE MADE SURE TO DO THAT IN FEBRUARY. SO THAT IS MY REPORT . HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE .

>> SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE POINTING.

>> NO. NO PROBLEM. I JUST WONDERED, WHAT IS HAVE THE ÚRES THE GRANT ROLLOUT? AND WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK HAVE YOU GOTTEN?

>> SO IT IS USUALLY IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF APPLICANTS IT IS

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>> AND HOW MANY LETTERS DO YOU USUALLY SEND OUT?

>> ABOUT 550. YEAH. IT IS A BIG DAY FOR OUR STAFF TO STUFF ALL THE ENVELOPES AND GET THOSE OUT. WE DO THAT. WE DO TWO ROUNDS PER YEAR. ONE IN THE SPRING AND ONE IN LATE SUMMER. AND SO WE WILL HAVE THAT COME UP AGAIN IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THE FUNDING

JULY THAT WE SEND THOSE OUT. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE . COUNCILOR

SNYDER . >> JUST WONDERING , IS THERE ANYTHING CUTTING-EDGE OR THINGS THAT ARE MOVING OR THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DEALT WITH OR COME INTO CONTACT WITH MOVING FORWARD?

>> CUTTING-EDGE? NOT NECESSARILY AT THE MOMENT ANYWAY THAT I CAN THINK OF. YOU KNOW, I DEVOTE FROM MY JOB AND WHERE I WORK I DEVOTE ABOUT 5% OF MY TIME TO THE COMMISSION. SO MAYBE THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH TIME TO BE THAT CUTTING EDGE. BUT, YEAH. WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT. ABOUT WAYS THE COMMISSION CAN BE MORE SO. I

APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER .

>> THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. SET HERE AND NOT SAID HIS NAME FOR ALMOST A YEAR. MR. CROWLEY. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT BECAUSE I GOT A PHONE CALL LATE LAST SUMMER FROM FRED SWIFT TALKING ABOUT. AND MR. CROWLEY CONTINUES TO DO THINGS FOR CARMEL THAT END UP COSTING HIM MONEY . SO I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO APPRECIATE WHAT A GOOD STEWARD OF THE COMMUNITY HE IS. I HAD CALLED MR. CROWLEY AND I SAID, HEY, I GOT ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU.

BARELY HESITATED. HE SHOULD HAVE HESITATED LONGER. I SAID , WOULD YOU TAKE A HOUSE? YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET PAID FOR IT. IT IS IN HORRIBLE SHAPE. AND IT TOOK HIM ALL OF 10 MINUTES TO WRAP HIS HEAD AROUND IT . AND I ALSO WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO THE QUARRY. THEY WERE FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH. IN FACT , CONTRIBUTED SOME LAND THAT EVENTUALLY WILL BE GIVEN RIGHT BACK TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT LONG-TERM AS WELL THIS HISTORIC HOUSE. SO I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS ALMOST BIWEEKLY SINCE IT CAME UP . AND I'M JUST VERY PROUD . ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW CARMEL RESIDENTS IN THIS CASE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT JUST SAW A NEED, STEPPED UP, AND FIGURED OUT A WAY . REALLY DIDN'T DIRECTLY BENEFIT ANYBODY . IT BENEFITS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. IT BENEFITS HISTORY BY PRESERVING THAT HOUSE. BROUGHT HIS NAME UP.

JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. CROWLEY.

>> AND THE REASON I FELT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT THIS TIME IS HE WAS AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING. HE BROUGHT WITH HIM THE GENTLEMAN WHO WILL MOVE THE BUILDING, WHO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE GENTLEMAN WHO MOVED THE HOUSE THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET ON THE CORNER OF 160TH. IT IS LIKE AN EVENT CENTER.

>> IT IS A GOOD FRIEND. ANOTHER CARMEL STALWART .

>> YES. SO HE WAS THERE AND COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT AND WE HAVE GOOD FAITH HE IS GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

>> YES. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL QUESTIONS ?

>> I WANTED TO MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ANOTHER TIME. ANY EFFORTS FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. HAVE YOU GOTTEN INVOLVED IN ANY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR AREAS THAT MAY DESIRE TO BE PRESERVED IN THE CITY? I KNOW AS WE REDEVELOP THERE MAY BE UNTHINKING PLACES ON MAIN STREET OR UP NORTH ON THE RANGELINE WHILE INDIVIDUALLY MAY NOT HAVE THE HISTORIC

SIGNIFICANCE COLLECTIVELY? >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. AND WE ACTUALLY DID RAISE THIS ISSUE IN THE PAST. AND WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL. I HAVE LONG BELIEVED THAT NORTH ROAD IS A UNIQUE CHARACTER DEFINING PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. IT IS ALL OLDER BUILDINGS, HOMES, CHURCHES . PRIMARILY OCCUPIED NOW BY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. BUT DEFINITELY IT IS A NORTHERN GATEWAY INTO OLD TOWN THAT YOU

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PART OF THE COMMISSION PROCESS. >> ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LOVE TO

[11.j. Finance Department Budget Update (Quarterly – April, July, October, January (for the 4th quarter of the previous year)]

>> EXACTLY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD THIS.

FINANCE DEPARTMENT ORDERLY BUDGET UPDATE. JACKSON. THE INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED IN OUR PAPERLESS PACKET, BUT SINCE IT IS THE FIRST ONE I HAVE ASKED ZACH TO BE AVAILABLE, IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN GIVE YOU A SECOND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL THAT UP. IF NOT, WE WILL KEEP MOVING. WE WILL GIVE HIM A SECOND. HE IS SETTLING. ZACH, WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT, DO YOU WANT A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU DID FOR THIS QUARTERLY

UPDATE? >> HAPPY TO DO SO. I DID CREATE

A PRESENTATION . >> SINCE IT IS THE FIRST ONE, YES. DO THAT. MAY NOT DO IT EVERY TIME. WHAT TO DO AT THIS

TIME. >> HAPPY TO.

>> WE'VE GOT I.T. TO HELP YOU IF YOU NEED THAT.

>> LET ME TRY THE OTHER SLIDE. LIKE THAT ONE BETTER.

>> THANKS. >> UNLIKE HENRY , I APPRECIATE HIM LETTING ME SIT. DO THIS PRESENTATION. I HAVE A BAD BACK.

BUT I JUST MENTIONED THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M NOT SPINELESS. I DO HAVE A SPINE. THAT SAID, I WILL JUMP IN HERE.

SO I WANT TO MENTION FIRST OF ALL JUST A FEW OF THE REPORTS THAT WE ARE DOING NOW . THIS LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY REPORTED ON. MONTHLY THERE HAS BEEN A FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN OUR OFFICE HAS HISTORICALLY SENT OUT. IF YOU HAVE NOTICED YOU HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED A COPY OF THAT FOR ANY MONTH THIS YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO SEND OUT MARCH REPORT PROBABLY AROUND MAY 1ST . GO AHEAD AND INCORPORATE A NUMBER OF CHANGES WE ARE MAKING TO THAT MONTHLY REPORT . BUT ALSO ONE OF THE REQUESTS WE RECEIVED WAS TO BASICALLY START TO SHOW ALL OF THOSE NOT ONLY COMMIT UGLY BUT ALSO MONTH BY MONTH BY MONTH. YOU ARE NOT HAVING TO LOOK AT OTHER REPORTS TO SEE WHAT CHANGED EXACTLY SINCE LAST MONTH. WE WILL BE SENDING THAT OUT PROBABLY FIRST WEEK OF MAY. BUT THAT WILL BE ALL OF FOR THE ENTIRE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. THE REASON THAT IS SO MUCH 30 TO 40 DAYS WHENEVER YOU SEE THAT IS BECAUSE AS REVENUE IS COMING IN TO THE CITY , IT GETS DEPOSITED INTO A CHECKING ACCOUNT USING INTEREST AS AN EXAMPLE. INTEREST ACCUMULATES. TECHNICALLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS UNTIL WE GET OUR BANK STATEMENT. BUT THEN ALSO WE GOT ALL THIS INTEREST. HOW DO WE DISPERSE THAT ? OF THE GENERAL FUND.

OTHER FUNDS. THE PRIOR MONTH TO SEE WHO IS OWED THIS INTEREST BECAUSE NOT ALL FUNDS -- SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF MASSAGING WE HAVE TO DO INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALLOCATING CORRECTLY. THAT IS WHAT IS CAUSING THAT DELAY AND THAT MONTHLY FINANCIAL INVESTMENT. THE NEXT ONE MENTIONED IS THE QUARTERLY BUDGET REPORT. THAT IS THE NEW ONE I'M GOING TO BE GOING OVER TODAY. REALLY DESIGNED TO BE A VARIANCE REPORT ON SPENDING AND REVENUE . AND IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THAT REPORT OR THE FINANCIAL REPORT, JUST LET ME KNOW. AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE EDITS, ADDITIONS, CHANGES, WHATEVER. LASTLY, I THINK -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THIS CAME AS A REQUEST FROM A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILOR WORRELL OR COUNCILOR LOCKE . I THINK BOTH WERE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT WANTING MORE DATA WITH CLAIMS. SO I THINK WE HAVE NOW -- LAST YEAR WE ADDED A REPORT SHOWING INFORMATION IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING THIS VENDOR Q MIDDLE VALLEY? WE ARE ALSO PUTTING A SNAPSHOT AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO SHOW AS YOUR REFUELING CLAIMS DATA . SOMETHING WORTH MENTIONING THERE

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SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY WELL KNOWN . WE START THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHETHER IT IS DISTRIBUTIONS PROPERTY TAX. OTHERS . THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST WE GET IN A SINGLE MONTH IS KIND OF HARD TO PREDICT. THE AMOUNT OF PERMITS THAT PEOPLE BUY FROM THE CITY MIGHT BE KIND OF HARD TO PREDICT. BUT WE CAN LOOK AT HISTORICAL INFORMATION. JANUARY IS A BIG MONTH. FEBRUARY IS NOT. MARCH IS NOT. WE KIND OF COME UP WITH THESE TARGETS ACCORDING TO THOSE. THERE'S OTHER SITUATIONS THAT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO DO IT THIS WAY TOO ANECDOTALLY. I HEARD AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE REALIZED ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT IS LEASING SPACE ON OUR DOWNTOWN HAD NOT MADE THAT RENTAL OR LEASE PAYMENT TO THE CITY BUT BECAUSE NOBODY WAS REVENUES TO SEE WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO BRING IN THIS MONTH COMPARED TO WHAT ACTUALLY CAME IN, IT WAS SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR BEFORE SOMEBODY FINALLY REALIZED, OH, MAN , ONE OF THESE PHONE COMPANY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING US SOMETHING ALL YEAR LONG AND THEY HAVE NOT SENT THE CITY MONEY YET. SO ANYWAY, THAT IS ANOTHER FACTOR THAT COMES OUT OF THIS REPORT. BECAUSE WE DON'T CLOSE THE BOOKS AT THE END OF EACH MONTH -- AGAIN, AT SOME POINT IN THE MONTH OF MAY -- LET ME USE A BETTER EXAMPLE.

SOMETIME IN THE MONTH OF APRIL WE WILL GET THAT BANK STATEMENT, RECONCILE THE BALANCES AND EVERYTHING, AND ATTRIBUTE INTEREST TO DIFFERENT FUNDS . THE REVENUES THAT I REPORTED FOR ACTUALS FOR QUARTER ONE . I RUN THIS REPORT NEXT TIME. IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE REVENUES RECEIVED IN THE MONTH OF APRIL THAT WE KIND OF BACKDATE INTO THE SYSTEM ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR MARCH. BUT ESSENTIALLY OUR PROJECTION , GENERAL FUND REVENUES FOR THE FIRST QUARTER WAS 18.8 MILLION .

THE ACTUAL CAME CLOSER TO 19.5 MILLION. A DIFFERENCE OF 626 -- $627,000 . THE TWO LARGEST DRIVERS OF THAT WERE, ONE, 284,000 RECOUPED THROUGH THE AGREEMENT WITH CCI COMPANY OR CORPORATION . THAT PAYBACK CAME IN THIS YEAR . WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED WHEN THE FORECAST WAS PUT TOGETHER ORIGINALLY LAST AUGUST. SECONDLY -- I JUST BLANKED. YEAH. SORRY. WHEN IT

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IT CAME IN I THINK FEBRUAR OR MARCH OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT WAS A REVENUE THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED. WE BUILT THE FORECAST . WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET ONE. BUT IN DECEMBER. WE DID NOT THINK WE WOULD GET ONE IN FEBRUARY, MARCH. THOSE TWO REVENUES ALONE ARE REALLY DRIVING THIS UP.

>> OTHER INTERGOVERNMENTAL -- OTHER INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE.

IS THAT WHERE THAT CAME IN AT? 333000?

>> STATE DOES A CALCULATION PERIODICALLY TO SEE WITH MEDICAID NORMALLY REIMBURSING AT A LOWER RATE AND PRIVATE PAY AS WELL AS MEDICARE RATES . MEDICARE -- MEDICAID WILL DO KIND OF A SHORTFALL PAYMENT SOME POINT IN TIME LATER RECOGNIZING THAT, HEY, WE REALLY DID NOT PAY YOU QUITE MARKET RATE. HERE IS AN EXTRA PAYMENT THAT YOU GET. AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THE DECISION WAS MADE LONG AGO TO PUT THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND.

>> SO BUT THAT THEN SHOULD SHOW A PERCENT VARIANCE YEAR-TO-DATE . AND IT DIDN'T IN THAT COLUMN. SO THAT IS WHY I WAS DRAWN TO THE $98,000 VARIANCE AND OTHER INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE , WHICH HAD THE 561.9% POSITIVE VARIANCE.

>> TRYING TO FIND IT HERE. ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SAME?

>>

ZERO VARIANCE THERE. >> SO THIS ACTUALLY THE PROJECTION THE FINAL THAT LAST -- THAT IS YEAR-TO-DATE. WE PROJECTED WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 433,000 . IT IS NOT A BIG ENOUGH VARIANCE TO REALLY TRIGGER THAT BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO DO IT YEAR-TO-DATE VARIANCE

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE BIG VARIANCE I SAW , WHICH WAS TO OUR BENEFIT , WHICH WAS THE OTHER INTERGOVERNMENTAL .

>> YEAH. SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROJECTED TO COME IN . I BELIEVE QUARTER THREE AND QUARTER FOUR. WE RECEIVED REIMBURSEMENT FROM PRIOR TASK FORCE ONE WORK . IT JUST WASN'T PROJECTED TO COME

IN. >> AWESOME. THANK YOU.

>> YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE .

>> AM WONDERING IF WE CAN GET A RUNDOWN ON THESE REVENUE STREAMS AND WHERE THEY END UP JUST AS A KIND OF WALK FORWARD FOR THINKING ABOUT THIS IN THE FUTURE. HOW WE LOOK AT THE REVENUE BEING GENERATED, WHERE IT GOES. SO IF WE COULD ADD -- THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU ADD THE ACCOUNT TO WHICH THE REVENUES

BEING DEPOSITED? >> YEAH. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE ARE GOOD FOR NOW WE ARE ONLY FORECASTING REVENUES WITH SPECIFICITY. SO ALL OF THESE ARE GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE GENERAL

FUND. >> YOU ARE SHOWING THE PROJECTION 3.8 MILLION UNDER AUTO AIRCRAFT EXCISE . IS THAT SEPARATE FROM -- I GUESS WE APPROVED A TAX.

>> THAT IS SEPARATE. >> THE QUESTION THEN IS, ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK TO US ? DOES IT NEED TO COME BACK TO US? IT HAS BEEN A MONTH. WHEN I READ IT

PERPETUITY? >> YEAH. SINCE COUNCIL PASSED

THAT LAST OCTOBER -- >> WHEN YOU CAN.

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>> CORRECT. >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR.

>> AND THEN ON THE EXPENSE SIDE -- I WILL REMEMBER TO TURN MY MICROPHONE ON THIS TIME. THE ACTUAL S. IS THE ACTUAL ONLY -- IS THE PLAN VERSUS ACTUAL -- IS THE PLAN COLUMN ONLY ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WAS PASSED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET OR DOES IT ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDITIONAL PREPARATIONS WE HAVE DONE TO VARIOUS LINE ITEMS BASED ON STAFF CHANGES, ET CETERA?

>> YEAH. IT WILL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL AS THOSE GET PUT INTO

THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM . >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. LIKE IT.

>> SO COMMITTEE THAT CAN WEIGH IN TOO. WHEN WE RECOUP MORE MONEY THAN WE EXPECTED, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT MONEY?

>> THESE DOLLARS ALL JUST GET DEPOSITED IN THE GENERAL FUND.

THEY ARE NOT APPROPRIATED. THEY ARE JUST DEPOSITED. SO DMINISTRATIVELY, WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS AS FAR AS.

BUT USING CCI AS AN EXAMPLE -- >> YOU MEAN, ARE YOU GOING TO ASK THE COUNCIL FOR ANY USE OF THIS MONEY ?

>> WE DON'T. THERE ARE NO PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AGAIN, JUST USING THAT ONE AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT IS WHERE THE STREET DEPARTMENT HAS NOT HAD AN EXPENSE, AND THEY'RE GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THREE SPECIFIC CONTRACTS. SO IF THE REIMBURSEMENT WAS HIGHER, THAT MEANT THAT THE CONTRACT COSTS WERE HIGHER . FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR I THINK WE ESTIMATED THESE THREE CONTRACTS WOULD BE WORTH APPROXIMATELY 300,000 . THEY ARE PAID BY THE STREET DEPARTMENT, BUT REQUIRE CCI TO PAY THEM

BACK. >> LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER. BECAUSE NOW I'M GETTING CONFUSED. CHRISTKINDLMARKET REIMBURSEMENT BRIDGES THAT GO TO UNAPPROPRIATED GENERAL FUND MONEY LIKE WE USE RECENTLY FOR TORNADO RELIEF ? OR DOES THAT GO TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL HAVE SURPLUS AT THE END OF THE YEAR?

>> IT'S ONLY GETS DEPOSITED AS REVENUE. UNAPPROPRIATED GENERAL

FUND. >> OKAY.

>> COUNCILOR MINNAAR . >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE PLAN SPENDING VERSUS ACTUALS . DOES IT MAKE SENSE NOT TO ADD MORE WORK TO YOUR DOCKET BUT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO SHOW LAST YEAR'S ACTUALS AT THAT SINGULAR TIMEFRAME TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW ? IT KIND OF GIVES ME A BETTER VISION OF WHAT I'M LOOKING .

>> YEAH. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT . I WILL SAY I WAS TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE THIS WOULD ALL PRINT SOMEWHAT NICELY ON AN A AND A HALF BY 11 SHEET OF PAPER, AND YOU JUST BLEW IT.

BUT NO. I SEE YOUR POINT AND THAT CROSSED MY MIND.

>>

>> SO AS YOU HAD DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS, WHEN HE WENT THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR , WE CHANGED CERTAIN NAMES FOR CERTAIN LINE ITEMS AND YOU WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A COHESIVE AND SIMPLIFIED FORM SO WE COULD FOLLOW THOSE. BUT TO COUNCILOR MINNAAR 'S POINT, I THINK , HOW WOULD YOU HELP US THEN TO TRANSLATE THOSE LINES? BECAUSE I THINK THE CONFUSION THAT ARISES WHEN WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SURE EXACTLY WHERE YOU PUT WHAT AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT . SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT PLACE AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER AND BE,

YOU KNOW, 12 HOURS IN. >> THAT IS A GREAT POINT.

SPECIFICALLY I WAS ASKING FOR MORE AUTHORITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE ACCOUNT. HOW WE CODE EXPENSES AND REVENUES. WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED MAKING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. FOR EXAMPLE , SOME OF THESE REVENUES THAT I THINK EVEN WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. THE EMS REIMBURSEMENT AS WELL AS MARKET REIMBURSEMENT. THERE WAS NOT A WAY TO CODE THOSE SPECIFICALLY AS THOSE ITEMS. THEY JUST GOT CAUGHT UP IN OTHER REIMBURSEMENT OR OTHER REVENUE. SO WE ARE CREATING MORE REVENUE ACCOUNTS TO CODE THOSE BETTER AS THEY COME IN. SAME THING WITH CERTIFIED LIT VERSUS SUPPLEMENTAL LIT . IT WAS JUST ONE ACCOUNT CODE. SO WE ARE MAKING THOSE CHANGES ON THE REVENUE SIDE. ON THE SPENDING SIDE, I WILL SAY WE ARE JUST KIND OF GETTING STARTED THERE. I HAD A CONVERSATION RECENTLY ABOUT TRAVEL TO CONFERENCES. AND LEARNED THEY ESSENTIALLY PUT

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>> THE GOAL IS TO GET TO THAT PLACE OBVIOUSLY . A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THE AMBULANCE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT WE GOT FROM MEDICAID. WE ARE WORKING ON AMBULANCE FUND. FINANCE PICKING THAT UP. CONVERSATION ON HOW WE MAKE SURE THOSE DOLLARS GET PLACED IN THE CORRECT APARTMENTS

IS I THINK VERY IMPORTANT. >> I AGREE.

>> THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE ON THE SLIDERULE QUICK -- MOST OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE ON THE EXPENSE SIDE. JUST A REMINDER THAT OUR REVENUE FORECAST THIS YEAR -- THE GRAND TOTAL WAS 147.

>> I HAVE TWO VERY QUICK. WONDERING, DO YOU HAVE THE

BACKEND DATA FOR ALL OF THOSE >> OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE AGGREGATED. I LOVE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE HEADED. I THINK THIS IS SUPER, SUPER HELPFUL. I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD SEND US WILL PUT IT IN THE PACKET THE FULL DATA TOO BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE LINE ITEM PIECE AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH MAY HAVE TWO PARTS. WONDERING -- THIS CHART. IF WE COULD ADD A PERPETUAL COLUMN. TRANSFERS ARE KEPT AND CALCULATED. BEFORE YEAR-TO-DATE END , WE CAN SEE DEPARTMENTS . MADE ONE UNDER YOUR NEW AUTHORITY. KEEP AN EYE ON IT AS WE GO JUST TO SEE WHERE SHORTFALLS ARE. WHERE WE ARE FILLING THEM BACK UP. IT JUST WILL GIVE US A GOOD END OF YEAR TRACK THROUGH THE YEARS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS QUARTERLY REPORT. UNDERSTANDING WHY WE BUILT UP BUDGETS IN SPECIFIC WAYS TO SMOOTH SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

>> SURE. >> ESPECIALLY SOMETHING IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT COSTS AT DIFFERENT TIMES . DEALING WITH INSURANCE PAYMENTS, REPAYMENTS. THAT TYPE OF THING. BEING ABLE TO TRACK THAT TYPE OF REVENUE . NOT TO BAG ON YOU, DIRECTOR, COMMISSIONER. SORRY. IT IS MORE THE COMPLICATED ACCOUNTING SYSTEM IN THAT ASPECT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND ACTUALLY , COUNSEL FOR MINNAAR , YOU DID A GREAT JOB TEEING UP THE COMMENT I WAS GOING TO MAKE ABOUT THE SPENDING . EXPLAIN THIS AND ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT -- PAGE SEVEN IN THE PACKET.

PRESENTATION HERE. I WOULD ASK -- GIVE THE DEPARTMENTS A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE ON THIS FOR NOW. DEPARTMENTS TAKE THEIR ANNUAL BUDGET AND GIVE ME THEIR BEST GUESS ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND. THAT IS A NEW PROCESS FOR A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS. SOME HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE THIS. OTHERS HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THEIR EXPENSES OTHER THAN ON AN ANNUAL AGGREGATE BASIS. THE OTHER THING TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILOR, IS WE ARE ASKING THEM TO PREDICT THEIR EXPENSES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND USING STREETS AND CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AS AN EXAMPLE. THEY MIGHT BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT IN APRIL, BUT THAT IS LARGELY -- IF MARCH IS NICE ENOUGH, MAYBE THEY BUMP IT UP. IF APRIL IS TOO RAINY, MAYBE HE GETS PUSHED BACK. ALSO, WHEN IS THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO -- THEY ARE PROJECTING MORE THAN ANYTHING.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE INVOICE FOR THAT, WHICH COULD BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. AND THAT IS KIND OF A COMMON -- WHEN THESE SPENDING PLANS ARE OFF, NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 IT IS MORE OF A TIMING ISSUE THAN IT IS A REAL SPENDING IS GOING TO RESULT IN SOMETHING LARGER OR SMALLER THAN ORIGINALLY EXPECTED. I VIEW THIS AS A VERY LIVING AND BREATHING TYPE OF DOCUMENT . FOR ME IT IS ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE DEPARTMENTS. TELL ME YOUR PLAN ,

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NOW WE KICK IT BACK OUT TO THEM. THEY UPDATE THEIR PLAN. THIS MAKES SENSE. NOW THIS IS YOUR NEW PLAN HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE TO.

SO THAT MIGHT BE -- SOME DEPARTMENTS MIGHT NAIL IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT. THEIR SPENDING IS VERY PREDICTABLE. BUT OTHERS -- IT IS NOT. JUST A COUPLE POINTS ON THE SLIDE . GENERAL FUND

SPENDING WAS PROJECTED TO BE -- >> TWO QUESTIONS AND A POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. ONE, THERE IS A NUMBER OF THESE REVENUES THAT MAYBE I HAVE NOT DONE A GOOD ENOUGH JOB OR I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT REVENUE ACTUALLY GENERATES. SOME OF THEM SOUND SO OBVIOUS. BUT HOW IS THAT GENERATED? A LOT OF THESE MY ASSUMPTION IS IT IS STATE FORMULA . CAN WE -- KIND OF TWO COUNCILOR LOCKE 'S POINT WHERE IT IS COMING FROM, MY ANGLE IS MORE , IF IT IS NOT A STATUTORY DISBURSEMENT , WHERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE REVENUE ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT TAXPAYER DIRECTLY ? THE ONE THAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS CIGARETTE TAX . I'M SURE WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT IF WE COULD, I'M SURE THAT IS SOMETHING NOBODY WOULD HAVE OPPOSITION TO. WHEREVER WE CAN SEEK SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE ON SOME OF THESE NONLIFE ESSENTIAL THINGS. THINGS WERE PEOPLE ARE JUST SPENDING MONEY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF WE CAN DO A REVIEW ON THOSE. SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE BRIDGE THAT WE APPROPRIATED MONEY ? THIRD , YOU JUST ASKED THE LEAST PATIENT COUNCIL TO BE PATIENT WITH YOU. I WANTED -- MY POINT IS YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE HAVE ASKED . AND THIS IS AN EXCELLENT DOCUMENT.

PROBABLY CREATES MORE WORK . MORE DATA FOR US . BUT BY DOING SO , I DON'T WANT TO SAY EARN BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS DESERVE IT, BUT THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THIS.

THIS IS TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL. IN A FORMAT THAT CAN BE PRESENTED AND EASILY TRANSLATED.

QUESTION. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST TO BE CLEAR IS ALCOHOL ESSENTIAL? IT IS A SYNTAX.

>> I THINK TO YOUR FIRST POINT , LET US GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH. COME BACK AND KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHICH OUR LEVERS WE CONTROL .

>> YEAH. I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU THERE. I CAN GET ONE.

THAT IS ASSUMING ANOTHER ENGINEERING OR STREET

INAUDIBLE ] >> I WILL FOLLOW-UP .

>> I WILL PROBABLY MOVE ON, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. I KNOW WE WILL TRY TO GET IT AS TIME GOES ON. WE WILL TRY TO GET THE PRESENTATION A LITTLE SHORTER. FIRST FINDINGS WAS VERY GOOD. TO COUNCILOR SNYDER 'S COMMENTS, I THINK COME BUDGET TIME COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHNG. I THINK IT IS GOING TO GO A LONG WAY. THANK

YOU FOR DOING THIS. >> 1.8% PROJECTION ON SPEND.

GENERAL FUND. 1.2% UNDER PROJECTION ON SPEND . AGAIN , I WOULD NOT WANT TO SAY, OH, WELL, IF WE ARE 600,000 OVER RIGHT NOW, DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE GOING TO BE 2.4 MILLION OVER FOR THE YEAR? NO. I WOULDN'T ASSUME THAT.

[12.a. Fifth Reading of Ordinance D-2762-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 8, Article 5, Sections 8-37, 8-47, and 8-48 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON. OLD BUSINESS. FIFTH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2762-25 . AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 837, 847, 848 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. SPONSORS

[12.b. Resolution CC-02-03-25-07; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Recommending Consideration of an Amendment to the Unified Development Ordinance for the City and Referring the Same to the Carmel Plan Commission for Recommendation; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Aasen, Snyder and Taylor. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]

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[12.c. Third Reading of Ordinance D-2767-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 4, Section 2-96 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Taylor and Snyder. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]

COUNCILOR, REMIND US WHEN THAT MEETING IS.

>> TUESDAY, MAY 13, AT 6:00 P.M. WE HOPE TO HAVE THE REPORT FROM CHIEF PACKER. WE WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO

[14.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2768-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 8, Article 5, Sections 8-47 and 8-48 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Taylor and Ayers]

BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL. >> ALL RIGHT. NO PUBLIC HEARINGS. NEW BUSINESS. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2768-25, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CARMEL OF AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTIONS EIGHT-47 AND EIGHT-48 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. SPONSORS ARE COUNCILORS

TAYLOR AND AYERS . >> ORDINANCE AMENDING THE REGULATION OF PARKING ON FIRST AVENUE SOUTHEAST AND SUPPLY

STREET. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY READY TO PRESENT? OR COUNCILOR TAYLOR , AYERS .

TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.

BASICALLY IT IS JUST THERE IS ALREADY A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT IN THIS AREA. IT IS ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND ALSO ON SUPPLY . OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION PREVIOUSLY KNEW THAT THIS AREA WAS WARRANTED TO ADD RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS. NOW WE ARE JUST EXPANDING THAT SLIGHTLY DUE TO THE INCREASE OF PARKING ON THE STREET TAKING UP PARKING FOR NEIGHBORS . THEIR GUESTS AND SO FORTH ARE FINDING IT VERY DIFFICULT TO VISIT. WE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT THERE I THINK A NUMBER OF US WERE BROUGHT OUT THERE EARLIER IN THE YEAR. AND THEN THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE PROBLEMS. SO WE ARE JUST TRYING

TO ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS. >> ALL RIGHT. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS. OTHERWISE, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. ANY QUESTIONS ? WE WILL WAIT FOR HER

COUNCILOR JOSHI . >> ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO SUSPEND THE RULES THIS EVENING. PLEASE VOTE. COUNCILOR GREEN. HE LEFT. SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO NOW WE ARE ACTING ON THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT

WITH ANY MOTIONS? >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. IN A CONVERSATION. IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES. IF I MOVE TOO FAST, JUST LET ME KNOW.

[14.b. First Reading of Ordinance D-2769-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 6, Article 4, Section 6-63 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Taylor and Ayers.]

COUNCILORS TAYLOR AND AYERS . >> ORDINANCE AMENDING THE FINE FOR FAILING TO DISPLAY A VALID PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON A CITY SIDEWALK, MULTIUSE PATH, OR CITY BIKE LANE.

>> ANYONE FROM THE CITY THAT WANTS TO PRESENT? IF NOT,

COUNCILOR -- >> THIS ISSUE RAISED DURING A RECENT TOWN HALL THAT COUNCILOR SNYDER AND WORRELL AND I HOSTED . WHEN WE SPOKE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE ISSUE , WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THEY CAN ENFORCE IT, HOWEVER THE PENALTIES AND FINES ARE NOT AT A LEVEL THAT CREATES COMPLIANCE.

SO WHEN WE WORK THROUGH THIS ISSUE , WHAT WE ARE DOING IS RAISING THE FINES . WELL, WHAT WE ARE FINDING IS -- AND I DON'T KNOW CHIEF. I KNOW OFFICER MYERS AND ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THIS. BASICALLY JUST FOR RAISING THE FINE SO WHEN IT IS ENFORCED, IT ACTUALLY CREATES A DETERRENT VERSUS JUST A COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR THE UTILITIES, LANDSCAPERS, ET CETERA , THAT DECIDE TO PARK THERE.

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>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE PEOPLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

COUNCILOR SNYDER -- LOCKE . >> JUST WONDERING WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. THIS THRESHOLD. REASONABLE TO IN LINE WITH OTHER PLACES THAT DO A SIMILAR THING OR IS IT SOMETHING WE HAVE KIND OF LOOKED AT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE? ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? HAS YOU BUILT IT, CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS FROM

SOMEWHERE. >> DON'T ALL MOVED TO THE

PODIUM AT ONCE. >> WELL, WHILE YOU ARE WALKING UP HERE, FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS YOU CAN ANSWER AT THE SAME TIME.

COUNCILOR LOCKE 'S QUESTION IS WHERE DO THESE NUMBERS COME FROM. MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD THE SUPPLY ON A BARTER -- BROADER SPECTRUM TO OTHER OFFENSES -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS JUST FOR THIS . IT IS WRITTEN IS JUST FOR PARKING ON THE SIDEWALK. PART OF THE ISSUE HAS BEEN LOTS OF THESE INFRACTIONS HAVE SUCH A LOW THRESHOLD OF FEES THAT THEY ARE NOT WORTH ENFORCING.

>> I CAN TALK TO WHAT THE FEES WERE PREVIOUSLY. $10 FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE. $20 FOR THE SECOND. A FINE OF $100 PLUS COSTS FOR ALL SUBSEQUENT OFFENSES. YOU CAN LITERALLY PARK IN DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS . ANY PARKING GARAGE IN THE CITY AND PROBABLY ONLY PAY THAT AMOUNT. TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE GOT TO ,

SAM. >> MY UNDERSTANDING -- SAM .

THAT WAS A PLACEHOLDER AT THE STARTING POINT AND THEN YOU CAN DISCUSS WHAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THAT WAS JUST A STARTING POINT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE TO CONSIDER . WITH REGARD TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS CAN APPLY TO OTHER PERMITS, I CERTAINLY THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE ARE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE WE ARE TAKING THE VIOLATION RATHER THAN GETTING THE PERMIT, IT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO BE AND I THINK WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE VIOLATIONS INSTEAD.

>> SAY IS I THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO MOVE THIS TO COMMITTEE. WE JUST NEED TO TIE TOGETHER WORKING ON THE PATH PERMIT WITH OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT THAT WE ISSUED OUT OF ENGINEERING TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO -- I THINK THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLLABORATION WE NEED TO DO ON THAT. THAT WAY WE ARE NOT ISSUING A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT FOR $50 FOR SOMEONE AND THEN IT CREATES CONFUSION SHOWING UP PERMISSION MAYBE SOME COMMUNICATION OR SOMETHING MULTIPLE TIMES DOWN A PATH . FIBER OR MAYBE ENERGY. WOULD THAT CREATE AN INSTANCE WHERE ONE DAY WE WRITE THEM A TICKET ONE LOCATION, THE NEXT DAY WE WRITE THEM ANOTHER TICKET? I JUST WANT TO MAKE

SURE. >> I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY CONCERN. PART OF THIS ISSUE CAME UP FROM A CONSTITUENT WHO IS UPSET WITH VEHICLE PARKING THAT WAS A UTILITY VEHICLE THAT WAS PARKED BUT ALSO THAT THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THE CITY DOES NEED TO DO WORK AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PARKING APPROPRIATELY? AND WHO DO WE FIND AND WHO DO WE NOT FIND ? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS VERY CLEARLY WORKED ON WITH YOU SO THEY HAVE PERMITS WHEN THEY NEED THEM , THEY ARE CLEARLY DISPLAYED, PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, MANDATED TO BE THERE, AND HOW LONG. IF THEY ARE PRIVATE UTILITY COMPANIES ARE TRUCKS, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT, JUST QUESTIONS ON HOW -- BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE ENFORCEABLE. I AGREE WITH EVERYONE. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES, THEY NEED TO HAVE TEETH. WE NEED TO GIVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE. HOW DO WE

ADDRESS THOSE MULTIPLE ISSUES? >> MORE QUESTIONS. I AM SENSING WE ARE GOING TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE. WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH COMMITTEE IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> JUST CLARIFICATION. WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY OTHER PART OF THE PERMITTING OR PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE SOUGHT TO CHANGE IS THE INCREASE FOR THE PENALTIES FOR

VIOLATING . >> RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR SNYDER . >> A NUMBER OF MY THOUGHTS AROUND THIS AND WHY I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IS FOR COLLABORATION IS -- I ALSO DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SCENARIO

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ALTHOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO BECAUSE THEY HAVE DESTROYED MY SIDEWALK.

BUT ALSO IT HAVE TEETH ? DID WE REALLY JUST SERVE THE NEIGHBORS OR DID WE JUST? COUNTERPOINT TO THAT. DO I REALLY WANT PEOPLE THAT PARK ON LEXINGTON ACROSS THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS GETTING A $2500 FINE? SO I THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF COMMUNICATION. WITH YOUR RIGHT-OF-WAY AS WELL, SOMETIMES ENFORCING THE RESTORATION OF PROPERTY CAN BE AS GREAT AS A FINE . I DON'T KNOW. COUNCILOR TAYLOR?

>> GOING TO BE TOO BUSY. >> WITH YOUR BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT PERMITTING AND CIVIL AND STREETS AND SO FORTH.

>> HOW ABOUT LAND-USE TALKS ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF IT AND THEN WE WILL SEND IT TO FINANCE FOR THE FEE STRUCTURE.

>> SURE. WHATEVER YOU WANT. >> THAT'S UP TO YOU.

>> I THINK THE WAY YOUR MEETINGS ARE GOING TO LINE UP, YOU MEET ON WEDNESDAY, HE MEETS AFTERWARDS. SO THAT WOULDN'T WORK OUT. ANY DELAY IN GETTING BACK TO COUNCIL. I THINK THAT WORKS FINE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE? COUNCILOR LOCKE .

>> JUST WOULD LOVE AS WE GO INTO THOSE TWO MEETINGS SOME INPUT FROM THE CITY ON THE REASONABLENESS. HOW THAT LOOKS.

IF YOU'VE GOT SOME WORK YOU CAN PUT IN. THAT WOULD BE A JOY.

>> CORPORATION COUNSEL. THAT WAS MY COMMENT AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT FROM EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. WE NEED TO TIGHTEN UP THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE EMERGENCIES DO HAPPEN AS WE HAVE ALL LEARNED WITH THE RECENT TORNADO, FOR EXAMPLE. OBVIOUSLY THOSE WERE NOT BE ABLE TO BE GRANTED WITHIN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO TIGHTEN UP IN THE

COMMITTEE. >> WHILE YOU ARE UP THERE, SORRY. KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS. LOOKING AT THIS FROM TWO DIFFERENT ANGLES, ONE, THERE IS THE SAFETY CONCERN ON THE MULTI USE PATHS. PEOPLE TRY TO USE THE PATH. AND THEN THERE IS THE GENERAL NUISANCE AND INSTRUCTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK? I KNOW WEDNESDAY IS ONLY A COUPLE DAYS AWAY. ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A VERY SIZABLE FEE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR SOME OF THESE THAT THEN THEY CAN SHOW, WE'VE GOT OUR 2025 RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS ISN'T SPECIFIC. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR OTHER IDEAS ON HOW TO DO THIS. MAYBE TAKE SOME WORK AWAY FROM RIGHT-OF-WAY APPLICATIONS BUT STILL GENERATES REVENUE TO BE

PUT TOWARD RESTORATION . >> ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN LOOK INTO THIS. JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S PROPOSED FEES YOU DO HAVE IN THIS ORDINANCE. NOT THE HIGHEST I HAVE SEEN. SOME OF THE ZONING FEES ARE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. DAMAGE DONE TO DRAINAGE NETWORK CAN BE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. AND THEY WOULD BE PER DAY AS WELL. SO I HAVE SEEN COURT DECISIONS THAT ARE $100 MILLION OR ABOVE. VIOLATION. SO THOSE FEES DON'T JUST FROM LOOKING AT IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE MINUTES -- DON'T STRIKE ME AS EXCESSIVE GRID BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN DISCUSS THIS IN

COMMITTEE. >> SO IN EFFECT THEN, WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY OPENING UP THE FULL SECTION 663 FOR DEEPER REVIEW OTHER THAN JUST INCREASING THE FINES AND

PENALTIES. >> ABSOLUTELY. SOME OF THE FEES HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED IN DECADES. SO IT IS PROBABLY HIGH TIME TO REVIEW AT LEAST SOME OF THEM. SOME HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND ARE UPDATED EVERY YEAR. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT ALL OF THEM ARE. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT SOME OF THE MORE OBSCURE ONES, ABSOLUTELY. THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN TODAY. CAN BARELY BUY A SHRIMP

COCKTAIL IN 1933 LOUNGE . >> ON THAT NOTE .

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I LOVE THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT ALL THIS, BUT I ALSO LIKE TAKING THE SPITE OF THE APPLE. ITERATED ON FROM DISCUSSION WITH CONSTITUENTS. USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP AND LOOK AT THE THINGS WE'VE GOT IN THERE BUT STILL BEING VERY CONCISE AND READY TO GO TO GET

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WHOLE THING ALL AT ONCE . >> ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN GET A LOT DONE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

[14.c. First Reading of Ordinance D-2770-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adopting a New Article 6 Under Chapter 4 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Aasen, Taylor, Snyder and Ayers.]

OUR LAST BUSINESS. WAIT FOR THIS ONE. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2770-25. AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA , ADOPTING A NEW ARTICLE SIX UNDER CHAPTER 14 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. SPONSOR, COUNCILORS AYERS , TAYLOR, SNYDER , AND AASEN. READ THE SYNOPSIS.

>> TRY TO MIX IT UP. AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING REQUIREMENTS THAT OWNERS OF RESIDENTIAL RENTAL DWELLINGS REGISTER AND OBTAIN A PERMIT BEFORE LETTING A RESIDENTIAL RENTAL DWELLING AND LIMITS THE NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED RESIDENTIAL DWELLING PERMITS TO 10% OF ALL HOMES WITHIN ANY SUBDIVISION OR THE CITY OF

CARMEL AS A WHOLE. >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR TAYLOR,

YOU WANTED TO INTRODUCE . >> SURE. JUST WANT TO ADD A FEW ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. AFTER THE MOST RECENT HOUSING TASK FORCE, ONE OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HOUSING TASK FORCE WAS TO PROTECT OUR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS ORDINANCE ATTEMPTS TO ACCOMPLISH. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR TIME AT THIS AND LOOK AT ALL ASPECTS OF IT. BUT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE AMERICAN DREAM OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP. WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS . AND WE HOPE TO DO THAT THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE. YOU HEARD A COUPLE TODAY SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE. WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING VERY CLOSELY ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN FISHERS. JUST TO GIVE SOME DATA RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF RENTALS , PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL RENTALS IN CARMEL AND FISHERS. FISHERS SAW AN ISSUE COMING AND THEY ARE REACTING TO LARGE CORPORATE BUYERS BUYING UP A LOT OF HOMES IN THEIR COMMUNITY. FISHERS, HOWEVER, RECENTLY REPORTED BY THE INDIANAPOLIS STAR ONLY 8% OF THE TOTAL HOMES IN THEIR COMMUNITY ARE OWNED -- OUR SINGLE-FAMILY RENTAL HOMES. 25% OF THOSE ARE OWNED BY LARGE CORPORATE ENTITIES. NOW, WE RECEIVED SOME DATA FROM ABOUT THE HOMES IN CARMEL. CARMEL IS ACTUALLY 9.6% OF THE TOTAL HOMES IN CARMEL OUR SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS. 22.8% OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED LARGE CORPORATE INVESTORS. WE ARE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE . WE WANT TO BALANCE DETECTING AND PROMOTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP WITH ALSO PROTECTING PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS . I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TEAM TO COME UP . COUNCIL FOR THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO SPEAK ABOUT A FEW OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR TAYLOR. THIS ORDINANCE CREATES A REGISTRATION TOWNHOMES FOR OCCUPANCY BY THE OWNER FOR A PERIOD OF 30 OR MORE CONSECUTIVE DAYS. BEFORE GENERAL FIRST, 2026, ALL OWNERS OF RESIDENTIAL RENTAL DWELLINGS HAVE TO REGISTER DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THEREAFTER, YOU ALSO HAVE 30 DAYS . AND THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ISSUE THE PERMIT IF DATE ON YOUR UTILITIES . AND THEN, NUMBER THREE, NO GREATER THAN 10% OF THE DWELLINGS WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION APPLICANT RESIDES OR THE AS A WHOLE BEING LIT AS RESIDENTIAL .

THERE ARE EXCLUSIONS TO THIS. THAT WE DRAFTED TO PROTECT .

FIRST , IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL RAILING , YOU GO AND GET YOUR PERMIT . YOU ARE GOOD. YOU ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. SECOND, IT WOULD NOT APPLY WHERE THE OWNER IS ABSENT SIX MONTHS OR MORE . INTENDS TO

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WHERE THE OWNER RECEIVED THE DWELLING AS PART OF INHERITANCE.

THEY MAY BE STUCK WITH . NOT WANTING TO RENT THIS PROPERTY BUT WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY NAME. WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO DISALLOW THAT USE. NEXT, ANYTIME IT IS BEING OFFERED FOR SALE. FINALLY WHERE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR ] THIS ALSO WOULD NOT APPLY TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT WOULD ALSO NOT A PLAY -- APPLY CONTRACTS AS YOU REPORT IT WITH THE RECORDER'S OFFICE, IT IS A VALID CONTRACT. FINES . IF YOU OFFER THIS DWELLING FOR RENT .

IF YOU ACTUALLY DO LET IT WITHOUT A PERMIT, IT IS A $2500 FINE IMMEDIATELY. AFTER 30 DAYS, THE FIND GOES TO $100 A DAY FOR EACH DAY THAT YOU LET IT IN OPPOSITION TO THE CHAPTER. THERE ARE APPEALS PROCESSES IN HERE. APPEAL TO THE CARMEL CITY COURT.

IN ADDITION TO ENFORCEMENT, MECHANISMS . CIVIL PENALTIES.

THE CITY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE .

>> BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS COUNCILOR TAYLOR KIND OF TAKING THE LEAD ON DRAFTING THIS LEGISLATION. IN SPEAKING WITH HIM , WE WILL SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE TONIGHT. HIS THOUGHT WAS LAND-USE FIRST AND THEN FINANCE , ALTHOUGH THAT CAN BE SWAPPED. SINCE HE TOOK THE LEAD ON THIS AND ASKED WE SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE, WE ARE GOING TO OUT OF RESPECT SINCE HE TOOK THE LEAD ON THAT. LET'S OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS. MINNAAR .

>> I THINK I SENT YOU AN EMAIL REGARDING HOAS SPECIFICALLY. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT HOAS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO ASSUME THAT , WELL, THE CITY SAYS WE CAN DO THIS. IF IT WERE ADOPTED. I THINK SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT. AND MY SECOND COMMENT WOULD BE , I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE REGISTRATION IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IF THERE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES , NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 IT KIND OF GETS LOST IN THE WASH THAT THE RENTER DOESN'T NECESSARILY CONTACT THE OWNER AND THE OWNER IS PRETTY MUCH ABSENT. THEY ARE ABSENT. THEY DON'T LIVE THERE. IN A CASE WHERE THERE IS A FIRE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE CAN REACH THESE PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY. HAVING THOSE NAMES AND ADDRESSES ON FILE AND PHONE NUMBERS IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT THE REGISTRATION IS

PERFECT. >> THANK YOU , COUNCILOR. I DID RECEIVE YOUR EMAIL. IT WAS THREE DAYS AFTER I SUBMITTED TO JESSICA. PRIOR TO SUBMISSION DEADLINE. YEAH. ON ITS FACE, THIS WOULD NOT SUPERSEDE ANY HOA REGULATIONS BUT CERTAINLY MAKE THAT A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT.

>> COUNCILOR SNYDER . >> SO I AM INITIALLY -- I THINK ANYBODY'S DATA. BUT IN THIS CASE ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES BROUGHT UP MY INITIAL SUGGESTION WAS WE CAN JUST LOOK AT THE OWNERSHIP LOG. YOU HAVE A PROPERTY AND LLC. HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW? IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE THINGS LLC FOR VARIOUS REASONS OUTSIDE OF JUST PROTECTING THEIR ASSETS.

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USE. >> THAT IS ACTUALLY -- THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. ONCE YOU FILE IT WOULD BE PUBLIC RECORD -- WE CAN FIND AN EXCLUSION . BUT I'M NOT SURE THERE IS ONE THAT EXISTS.

>> I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS .

>> SOME OF IT WOULD HAVE TO PROACTIVELY REQUEST THE PERMITS

AND REGISTRATION . >> THERE IS A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD VERY CLOSE TO HERE WITH 42% OF THE HOMES ARE RENTALS. AND THAT HAS MADE LIFE AWFUL FOR THE ACTUAL HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET -- YOU CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING. HOA BECOMES VERY LOCKED. IT DETERIORATES . THE FINAL REASON , I JUST WANT CARMEL TO BE AVAILABLE TO ALL HOMEOWNERSHIP IS VERY IMPORTANT AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID EARLIER. COUNCIL CARMEL HAS NEVER BEEN A RENTAL COMMUNITY. NEVER. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE THAT FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE A HOME. THESE CORPORATIONS ARE BUYING UP THE LOWER-PRICED INVENTORY AND THAT DOES NOBODY IN CARMEL OR WANTING TO MOVE TO CARMEL ANY FAVORS. I LOOK FORWARD TO . THANK YOU FOR YOUR

>> ANY OTHER COUNCILOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ? COUNCILOR TAYLOR.

>> I DO -- SPOKE WITH A NUMBER OF HOA PRESIDENTS THAT ARE WORKING TO CHANGE THEIR CCR TO IMPLEMENT THAT CAP. I WOULD IMPLORE THEM TO CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH JUST BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE WAS INTRODUCED TODAY DOESN'T MEAN IT IS NECESSARILY GOING TO PASS , SO IF YOU ARE HOA CURRENTLY LOOK AT ADOPTING NEW RESTRICTIONS FOR YOUR HOA, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND , SPEAK TO YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH THAT YOU HAVE STARTED .

DO NOT RELY ON THE PASSAGE OF THIS ORDINANCE AND LISTEN TO YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL ON HOW YOU SHOULD PROCEED REGARDING YOUR

OWN HOA. >> WHILE SHE IS NOT AN ATTORNEY, COUNCILOR MINNAAR IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR HOA MATTERS. I WOULD RECOMMEND TALKING TO HER.

>> AND I'M HAPPY TO HELP. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I DID IT IN MY NEIGHBOHOOD AS HOA PRESIDENT. STILL INSTIGATED RENTAL RESTRICTIONS WITH C.A.P. AND PERCENTAGES. SO I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO ANY HOA . MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT. I'M HAPPY TO TALK

TO ANYBODY AT ANY TIME. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER SNYDER. >> IN THE ORDINANCE IT TALKS ABOUT BEING THE ADMINISTER OF THAT. AS THE MAYOR AND THAT IS WHERE SHE WANTS IT. IS THAT WHERE SHE SUPPORTS IT? ELSEWHERE? HEAVY HAD THAT CONVERSATION?

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY , THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS BALL ROLLING. I KNOW COUNCILOR TAYLOR MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS BEING PROACTIVE. I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE WE WILL HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS NOT A BIG PROBLEM. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? WELL, IF WE WAITED FOR EVERYTHING TO BECOME BIG PROBLEMS FOR WE DEALT WITH IT, WE WOULD BE TOO LATE. AND WE ARE ALREADY SEEING OUR NEIGHBORS -- FISHERS IS DOING WITH THIS. THAT REALLY HAS PROMPTED US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND LOOK AT THIS. AND I DON'T THINK RENTERS ARE BAD PEOPLE AT ALL. I HAVE RENTED. I HAVE OWNED. I AM A RENTER NOW. SO IT IS NOT -- RENTERS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. THEY DON'T BRING CRIME TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY DON'T -- THEY ARE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING WHO WANT TO BUY, AND THEY JUST CANNOT FIND HOMES FOR SALE . AND WHEN THEY DO FIND REASONABLY PRICED HOMES BETWEEN 300,000 AND 500,000, WHICH IS REASONABLY PRICED FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL , THEY FIND THOSE HOMES HIT THE MARKET AND THEY ARE OUTBID BY A CORPORATE INVESTOR WHO WANTS TO TURN IT INTO A RENTAL. THAT IS DISHEARTENING FOR THEM. SO WE WENT TO HAVE THOSE FAMILIES TO HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNERSHIP. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT. IT WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT. AND THIS DOES NOT BAN RENTALS. THAT PUTS A REGISTRY AND A CAP WITH A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS IN THERE. SO THE IDEA THAT THIS BANDS RENTALS IN OUR COMMUNITY -- IN NO WAY DOES IT DO THAT. BUT IT DOES HAVE US ASK THE QUESTION, AT WHAT POINT DO WE WANT TO STRIKE THE BALANCE ? WHAT IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN FORESAIL AND RENTALS AND

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CONVERSATION. >> LAST COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD. THE AMERICAN DREAM -- ONE OF THE BIGGEST RED ROCKS OF THE AMERICAN DREAM IS HOMEOWNERSHIP.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING I WILL NEVER, EVER APOLOGIZE FOR FOR PROTECTING THEM. SO THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TAYLOR. APPRECIATE ALL

YOUR HARD WORK. >> ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION, I WILL SEND THIS -- CAN WE SEND THIS TO LAND-USE FIRST AND THEN FINANCE OR DO YOU WANT TO FLIP-FLOP THAT? COUNCILOR TAYLOR, DO YOU WANT TO GET THE FIRST STAB AT IT? AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL SEND IT TO

>> IF WE FEEL IT NEEDS TO GO TO LAND-USE AT THAT POINT , WE CAN DO THAT. SO IT WILL BE SENT TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. ALL

[16.a. City Council Appointments]

>> I MOVED TO REAPPOINT. CHAL IS SERVED ON THE TRUSTEE BOARD FOR US FOR A WHILE AND ACTUALLY THE DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY HAD SUBMITTED TO US A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION ASKING THAT HE BE REAPPOINTED. SO TO RESPECT HIS WISHES AND PERSONALLY KNOWING THE EFFORTS HE HAS PUT IN AS A LIBRARY TRUSTEE , THAT IS WHY I

MAKE THAT MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> AND IN CONVERSATION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE.

[17. ANNOUNCEMENTS]

ANNOUNCEMENTS. THERE IS A REQUEST TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE TORNADO RESPONSE. WOULD YOU COME UP HERE? I THINK A COUPLE COUNCILORS WANTED TO HEAR A LITTLE UPDATE.

>> GOOD EVENING. FIRE CHIEF. HAPPY TO UPDATE. WE DID RECEIVE A COST DATE FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAD PROVIDED RESPONSE AND RECOVERY . THAT TOTALED OVER $722,000 SO FAR.

AND THAT WAS AS OF WEDNESDAY OF LAST WEEK. WE ARE TALKING. THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL RECOVERY COSTS THAT WILL CONTINUE. THOSE HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE HAMILTON COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY. THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE STATE AND FEMA ON THAT. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THAT IS ALL WE KNOW RIGHT NOW . WE WILL CONTINUE TO PRESS AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. BUT WE CERTAINLY QUALIFY FOR THE STATE DISASTER RELIEF FUND, WHICH IS A DOLLAR PER POPULATION. AND BECAUSE WE HAD OUR LOCAL DISASTER DECLARATION AND IN THE COUNTY , THE GOVERNOR INCLUDED HAMILTON COUNTY AND HIS STATE DISASTER DECLARATION. SO WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING DOWN THAT PATH FOR THOSE TYPES OF RECOVERY DOLLARS. AND AS FAR AS OUR BUSINESSES , I KNOW NICK IS GONE, BUT I THINK THEY WERE CONTINUING TO WORK TO ENSURE THAT OUR BUSINESSES WERE BACK UP TO DATE.

>> COUNCIL, QUESTIONS ? THANK YOU, CHIEF. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER

COUNCIL ANNOUNCEMENTS ? >> JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THE CHERRY BLOSSOM FESTIVAL ON MAY 3RD. WOULD LOVE TO SEE EVERYBODY COME AND ATTEND THAT.

>> MY DAUGHTER IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE. ANY OTHER ?

>> I WANTED TO REITERATE AT THE GREAT BEGINNING OF THE MEETING DR. JOSHI WAS VERY COOL. COUNCIL WAS THERE. HER ACCEPTANCE SPEECH WAS VERY POIGNANT . IT EMBODIES COMMUNITY WITH DIFFERENT FAITHS AND CULTURAL RELIGIONS CAN BE . AND I'M VERY IMPRESSED. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO LOCKE FOR BRINGING SOMETHING UP FROM A YEAR AGO. SPURRED SOME CONVERSATION. I THINK PROBABLY SHOCKED A FEW OF US. SO I'M EXCITED TO WORK ON THAT PERSONAL PROPERTY. GOT OUR MESSAGE ACROSS THERE. LAND-USE. WEDNESDAY AT 5:30 ON AT THE

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