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>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 3RD CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION COMMERCIAL --
[1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00263 ADLS Amend: Shake Shack and Cava restaurants]
COMBINED COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING AS A WHOLE. TONIGHT IT'S ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA PZ-2025-00263 SHAKE SHACK AND CANVA RESTAURANTS, TWO NEW RESTAURANT TENANTS.SIZE LOCATED 145, PUD CLAY TERRACE FILED BY JIM BRENNAN BY HYNES SO IF YOU DON'T MIND
BRENNAN STEPPING UP AND SAYING A FEW WORDS. >> GOT IT, ALL RIGHT.
I'M SORRY, SIR. WHAT DID YOU ASK ME? OH, WE ARE HYNES COMPANY AND WE ARE THE NEW OWNERS OF CLAY TERRACE AS OF DECEMBER 8TH, 2025 AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH CLAY TERRACE FORMER RED ROBIN RESTAURANT THAT HAD VACATED THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW AND THE LEASES THAT ARE SIGNED BY SHAKE SHACK AND CAVA RESTAURANT TAKE OVER THAT SPACE SO WE PLAN ON RENOVATING IT AND IMPROVING IT, THE INTERIOR, EXTERIOR PATIOS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT HERE THAT'S GOING TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT. SO WE ARE HOPING TO GET YOUR APPROVAL TODAY ON THAT.
>> COULD YOU ALSO STATE YOUR NAME BY THE WAY. >> I'M SORRY, JIM BRENNAN.
THANK YOU. >> AND WOULD YOUR ARCHITECT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE PASS OVER TO STAFF? SURE, THANK YOU. GOOD JOB, JIM.
SURPRISED. DAVE ROUCHE WITH LUMINA ARCHITECTS.
I THINK THE PACKAGE IS SELF-EXPLANATORY, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY REFITTED VERY STYLISTIC BUILDING TO, YOU KNOW, TO CURRENT WITH THE TWO TENANTS AND HAVE PAID SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE FRONT EDGES WITH ESPECIALLY CANOPY AND ENTRANCES TO BOTH THE NORTH AND WEST. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> GREAT, D THANK YOU, DAVE. STAFF. >> THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD ALEX AYE LOPEZ WITH PLANNING AND ZONING. THE BUILDING LOCATION DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND PARKING SPACES ON THE SIDE WALL REMAIN THE SAME. THE ENTRANCES AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WILL BE REMOVED. RIGHT NOW IT FACES TOWARD CLAY TERRACE BOULEVARD AND FACE NORTH TOWARD 146TH STREET. THAT PREVIOUS CIRCULAR ENTRANCE CONVERTED INTO PATIO SPACE FOR SHAKE SHACK WHICH WOULD BE WEST HALF OF THE BUILDING. THE NEW BUILDING DESIGN WOULD KEEP THE STONE BASE AROUND THE CAVA SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE EAST AND THE SHAKE SHACK SIDE ON THE WEST WILL HAVE NEW THIN BRICK VENEER INSTALLED AT THE BASE THERE.
ALL THE EXISTING BRICK WILL REMAIN AND PROPOSING TO PAINT IT BLACK.
THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING WILL BE KEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THERE ARE FIVE EXISTING TREES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE NOT CALLED OUT AS EXISTING ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SO THOSE WERE TWO REMAINING QUESTIONS WE HAD WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL BE PLANTED IN PLACE OF AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE EXISTING MAT MATURE TREEE SAFE. ALL THREE WILL COME PLAY IN SIZES ALLOWED IN PUD AND JUST TO NOTE, PETITIONER AS WELL, THEY'LL NEE NEED TO GO THROUGH PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE SIGNAGE. THAT'S ALL WE HAD THIS EVENING. AFTER THOSE ITEMS ARE DISCUSSED,
WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> NEVER GET BLESS WITH SUCH NICE SHORT AGENDA. THIS IS GREAT. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE
LANDSCAPING ITEMS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO DISCUSSION? >> DAVE ROUCHE AGAIN.
THE FIVE TREES ON THE SOUTH ARE EXISTING AND WILL REMAIN, SO THAT'LL TAKE CAKE OF THAT.
ON THE EAST SIDE, WE HAVE -- OVER GROUND AND CAVA DOES HAVE AN ENTRANCE THERE AND VARIETY OF REASONS INCLUDING THEIR GROWTH WE ARE TAKING THOSE OUT. WE DO NOT HAVE -- WE ARE A SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE REPLACEMENT OR ANYTHING THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE LOW SCALE AND WILLING TO COMMIT TO HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY STAFF AND WHATEVER WE END UP
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DOING THERE. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. >> THANK YOU.
COMMITTEE, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? GO AHEAD, KRISTIN.
>> WELL, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK HYNES FOR COMING IN AND INVESTING INTO CLAY TERRACE AND REVITALIZING, WORK TO GO REVITALIZE THE AREA. I KNOW THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE STARTING WITH SO VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU IN OUR COMMUNITY. GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AS FAR AS THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT DRAWINGS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW SO THAT'S GREAT. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S KIND OF A FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE PROPERTY AND IN SOME WAYS IT MAKES IT KIND OF HINDERS FROM BEING PART OF PLAY TERRACE. STEAMS LIKE A STAND-ALONE.
IS THAT FENCE STAYING OR IS THAT COMING DOWN? IT'S A BROAD IRON FENCE.
IT'S REALLY TALL. >> YEAH. >> IT KIND OF -- IT KIND OF GOES
ALL THE WAY AROUND. >> AT THIS POINT IT'S STAYING. THE GRADE DIVES DOWN AND SMALL RETAINING WALL AS WELL AS DUMPSTER ON NORTHWEST CORNER, I GUESS.
SO AT THIS POINT THE FENCE IS PLANNING TO STAY. >> OKAY.
YOUR BUILDING MATERIALS, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, IS THAT CURRENTLY -- ARE YOU JUST
LEAVING THE EF US THAT'S THERE, YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANYMORE? >> WE ARE WATCHING SOME THAT WHEN WE REPAIR THE FACADE THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING EFUS ANYWHERE THAT DOESN'T ALREADY EXIST AND
ONCE WE PATCH IT WE ARE GOING TO PAINT AND ALL THAT. >> OKAY.
GENERALLY NOT MY FAVORITE BUILDING MATERIALS BUT I UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE ALREADY
THERE. >> LIKE WISE. >> SO I'M CLEAR, KRISTIN,
WESTERN PROPERTY WITH THE FENCING? >> TALL IRON FENCE WHEN YOU PULL OR PULL OUT OF TERRACE. GOES AROUND THE PROPERTY AND CLOSE TO 146TH STREET.
IT'S THE WAY THE BUILDING SET AND WHERE YOU HAD THAT FENCE IT'S -- IT NEVER FEELS LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY INTEGRATED INTO ALL OF THE REST OF CLAY TERRACE. JUST REDOING THE ENTRANCES AND REDOING THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO HELP IT BUT I CAN SEE WHY MAYBE FOR SAFETY REASON THE FENCE HAS TO BE THERE BUT IT JUST -- IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN CLAY TERRACE WHERE THERE'S THE SUPER TALL FENCE WHERE MAKES IT LESS INVITING TO WALK INTO THE RESTAURANTS.
>> SURE. >> LEXIA. >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THE FENCE
IS SERVING AS GUARDRAIL FALL PROTECTION. >> WELL, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO
>> I AGREE AND THIS DOESN'T AFFECT APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THIS LAND SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME BUT SINCE YOU'RE THE OWNERS OF PUBLIC TERRACE I CAN PROVIDE MY FEEDBACK. BUT THE PARKING ON THAT SIDE WHILE THERE IS AMPLE PARKING, MASSIVE PARKING LOT FOR DSW RIGHT THERE AND I THINK WHEN YOU GO DYE SAY YOU'VE GOING TO WHAT WAS RED ROBIN YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO GET OVER TO THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY CONNECT, SO JUST A THOUGHT OF DOING STUFF IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE RED ROBIN PARKING BUT THERE'S A BIG PARKING LOT THAT'S NEVER FULL RIGHT THERE THAT, OF COURSE, IS ALL SHARED. THERE WAS SOME SORT OF ACCESS POINT, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. AND I ANTICIPATE THESE ARE GOING TO BE VERY POPULAR TENANTS, SO I IMAGINE PARKING WILL BE FILLING UP SO IF THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT,
THAT MAYBE IS A SUGGESTION THERE. >> THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION AND WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO UNDERTAKE THAT WITH HYNES AS THEY GET THEIR ARMS AROUND THE PROPERTY. YEAH, CURRENTLY, YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT.
THERE'S A ROAD IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT.
THERE'S A MEDIAN AND YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT OUT OF IT AND THAT'S ALL FOR TRAFFIC PLANNING WE UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IT DOES TEND TO MAKE THAT -- THAT PARKING LOT OVER THERE, YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY INTENTIONAL TO GET TO IT. I SUSPECT THAT THE TENANTS --
PEOPLE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT QUICKLY BUT, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. >> QUESTION ABOUT THE -- I GUESS I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION ABOUT PARKING. CERTAINLY THERE'S PLENTY OF SHARED PARK TO GO THE EAST. THE QUESTION TO YOU OR EVEN TO STAFF FROM AN ACCESSIBLE PARKING STAND POINT WITH TWO RESTAURANTS INSTEAD OF ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGES REQUIREMENTS,
TO GO BUT WANT TODAY MAKE SURE . >> IT'S BASED ON PERCENTAGE OF PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE.
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IN REAL GENERAL TERMS ALTHOUGH IT'S TWO RESTAURANTS, IT'S HALF PLUS HALF, IT'S THE SAME OCCUPANT LED AND THE PARKING IS ALL THE SAME SO PARKING ITSELF HAS BEEN LEFT IN PLACE BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 25 YEARS OR WHAT THE NOT. YES.>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? >> I'M SORRY.
THE PROCESS -- YOU WANT TO GO FULL COMMISSION? >> IT CAN BE APPROVED TONIGHT
BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN AMENDMENT. >> OKAY. THAT SAID, I MOVE THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS BEING MET THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BY STAFF THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS AS
PRESENTED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. HANG ON.
>> YES, WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE LANDSCAPING. WE WILL REVIEW THAT.
IF YOU SUBMIT TO PROJECT DOCS WHAT'S GOING TO REPLACE. >> GREAT, I WILL SECOND THAT.
>> THANK YOU. >> MOTION SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR VERY LENGTHY COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE MEETING. THANKS FOR JOINING AND WE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.