Mar 17, 2026 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order ]

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>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MEETING THIS ST. PATRICK'S DAY.

[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[C. Roll Call]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> YES.

JESS LAWHAO*D? >> PRESENT. ER

>> JONATHAN? >> PRESENT. ER

>> ADAM CAMPAGNA? >> JEFF HILL? >> CHRISTINE VO*K LA*?

>> PRESENT. ER >> SUE.

>> DEBBIE? >> PRESENT. >> MARK ADAIR?

>> PRESENT. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH R WE

[D. Declaration of Quorum ]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

FROM THE FEBRUARY MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SO MOVED.

. INGER AND A ?EKD RJT I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IF FAVOR OF APPROVING THE FEBRUARY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, HEARING NONE, THEY ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU. UP M*EX IS COMMUNICATIONS BILLS, EXPENDITURES AND LEGAL

COUNSEL REPORT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL? >> I HAVE NOTHING PR THE LEGAL

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns ]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEN UP NEXT IS COMMUNICATION, AND DEPARTMENT REPORTS.

ALEXIA? >> TWO ITEMS ONE IS THE OUTCOME OF PROJECT FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING. THAT WAS CANCELLED AS THE ITEM THAT WAS ON THE JEP DA, THE U.S. 41WDC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS TABLED TO MARCH 31 AND THEY WILL BE TABLING UNTIL MAY AS WELL. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM UNDER THERE IS RULES OF SUSPENSION, SO THE ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA TOIGHT, HE DID MISS A COUPLE OF THE DATES FOR THEIR PUBLIC NOTICE, SO TO HEAR IT, THE PLAN COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO SUSPEND THEIR RUNLESS OF PROCEDURE. THE PLAN COMMISSION REQUIRES 21 DAYS PUBLIC NOTE.

THE LETTERS TO THE NEIGHBORS WERE MAILED ON TIME, THE SIGN WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY I THINK LIKE TWO DAYS LATE AND THEN THE NEWSPAPER NOTICE WAS 7 DAYS LATE, SO THEY STILL MET THE STATE REQUIREMENT CAN WHICH IS A MINIMUM TEN DAY PUBLIC NOTICE, SO THAT WOULD JUST BE FOR YOU TO VOTE ON THIS EVENING IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR IT, OTERWISE VLD TO GO O THE NEXT

MEETING. ER >> THANK YOU, GIVEN WE HAVE A HOUSE FULL, WE NEED THE SUSPEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE TO HEAR THAT DOCKET TONIGHT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION(INGER A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> THANK YOU, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULES OF PROCEDURE SO WE CAN HEAR THE DOCKET TONIGHT, SAY AYE.

ER FRNG AYE >> THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED. ER

>> MADAM CHAIR, UNDER REPORTS, CAN I GIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL OF UPDATES THAT CAME FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. I SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS ANYWAYS, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN. THE U.S. 31 PLAN DID COME BACK FROM LAND USE TO COUNCIL, IT DID RECEIVE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT STILL NEEDED SOME WORK.

THE COUNCIL IS WORKING BEHYPED THE SCENES TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT HOPEFULLY WE WILL PASS, SO THERE WILL BE A VERSION THAT PASSES N LAND USE, IT NEEDED TO BO TO THE FULL COUNCILOR IN ORDER TO REACH THAT . RESTORACY PUD AND THE ACCOMPANIES ORDINANCE WAS REJECTED BY COUNCIL 7, ONE ABSTAINED, ONE ABSENCE T THE ILLINOIS STREET TOWNHOMES WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL. .

ER THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE, I DID WATCH THE CITY COUNCIL MEET, SO WITH REGARDS TO U.S.

31, I THINK WHEN YOU DIESELS WIES -- GUYS ARE DONE WITH IT, IT WILL COME HERE TO PLAN COMMISSION, OR DOES IT STAY TO THE EXTENT DFRJT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S COMP PLAN AMENDMENT,

HOW THAT WORKS. IF THAT HAS TO GO BACK TO -- >> DO YOU KNOW, ALI?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE IT COMES BACK, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND LET YOU KNOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. SO, I ALSO APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ASKING FOR DECORUM. I THOUGHT THAT WAS WELL SAID, SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

[2. Docket No. PZ-2025-00287 PP/SP: Eyas Nest Minor Subdivision ]

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>> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND FORGIVENESS ON US MISSING THE DEAD -- DEADLINE BY A CUP OFL DAYS, SO THANK YOU FOR THE

RULES SUSPENSION, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE SO, THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS KYLE HAWKINS, A A RESIDENT OF CARMEL FOR 11 YEARS AT 11641 ROSEMEAD DRIVER ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION FOR MY PETITION THIS EVENING. I MIGHT BE ALGT BIT IF ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE PETITIONS BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. I HAVE WATCHED HOURS AND HOURS OF VIDEOS, EVERY MEETING FOR THE LAST YEAR, I MIGHT BE THE ONLY HOME OWNING REZ SDSH RESIDENT THAT IS ASKING YOU TO KEEP TREES AND NOT BUILD ANYTHING.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S NORMALLY DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS AND CARMEL IS A GREAT CITY, THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO BUILD HERE. I'M ASKING FOR A DIFFERENCE.

SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AS I MENTIONED IS AT 1414 EAST 116TH STREET AND ON THIS MAP FIRST, IT IS THIS GIANT RECTANGLE IN QUESTION HERE. I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER AFTER A THREE YEAR PLANNING PROCESS WITH SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH WOODED NATURE PRESERVE AS WE CAN HAVE AROUND OUR SUBDIVISION, ROSEMEAD COMMONS, THANK YOU FOR THE ZOOM, SIR, ON THE NORTH SIDE IS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT NOW HOUSES SOME SPORTS COMPLEX STUFF OFF CARMEL DRIVE. THE TRAIL IS HERE AND SUB TRACE SUBDIVISION IS ON THE EAST SIDE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY RESIDENT OF ROSEMEAD XHO*EN COMMONS, RESIDENTS OF FAIR GREENS TRACE WITH A TREE PARCEL THAT FAIR GREEN TRACE OWNS SOME OF THAT LAND THAT BORDERS. ESSENTIALLY AT THE BASE SCALE, WHAT MY REQUEST FOR THIS PETITION IS S TO TAKE THIS LARGE PROPERTY AND SPLIT IT INTO FIVE LOTS MYSELF TAKING ONE AND THEN FOUR OF MY NEIGHBORS TAKING THE OTHERS.

ILL SHOW THE DRAW INING A SECOND, JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF THIS.

I LIVE RIGHT HERE. I WOULD KEEP THIS AREA, MY NEIGHBOR THERE, RIGHT THERE WOULD KEEP THE AREA BEHIND THEIR BACK AND THEP THIS NEIGHBOR RIGHT HERE WOULD KEEP THE AREA BEHIND THEIR BACK TO THE EAST. THOSE ARE TWO THAT MY BUILDER SAYS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS, TO EASE CONFUSION ABOUT BUILDABLE AND NOT BUILDABLE, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE TREES BUT THOSE IN BY DEFINITION MUST BE ABSORBED INTO THEIR LOT OF ROSEMEAD DRIVE. THEN THERE WOULD BE A LOT HERE AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LOT HERE AND THOSE NEIGHBORS ALSO ADJOIN THOSE LOT THAT IS WOULD TAKE THEM. IT'S -- I'LL GO AHEAD AND SWITCH TO THIS VIEW JUST SO YOU CAN SEE, IT IS BROKEN DOWN BECAUSE THE LOT IS SO LONG AND NARROW, WE HAVE THIS BROKEN DOWN TO THIS IS THE MOST SOUTHERN LOT, 116TH IS DOWN HERE, THE SECOND, THE THIRD LOT, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WOULD COMBINE AND THE LOTS THIS EVER WANTONING THAT ARE IN QUESTION IS LOTS 4 AND 5 THAT OUR -- THE WEST SIDE TO KEGT TO ROSEMEAD DRIVE.

AGAIN, AND I'LL BE BRIEF SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT IFS THAT'S AGREEABLE, AT THE ROOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M A RESIDENT WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING, I'LL FULLY ADMIT THAT. HAYED TO GO ONLINE -- I HAD SOMETHING IN LINE A FEW YEARS

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THERE'S HUNDREDS OF TREES ON THAT PROPERTY I HAVE DEER EVERY MORNING THAT WALK THROUGH, SO THAT WAS THE GOAL. AND KNOWING I NEEDED RESIDENT AND IS NEIGHBORS TO GO TO OUR HOA, WE HAD A MEETING ON IT, FORMULATED A PLAN AND WHEN THE FOR SALE SIGN WENT UP, I PANICKED AND FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET THE BANK TO GIVE ME MONEY AND WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

SO, AS I UNDERSTAND THE UDO SECTION THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE REFERENCING, REGARDING SUB STREETS, I'M SORRY, STUB STREETS, THE CITY'S UDO REFERENCES THAT A DEVELOPMENT MUST HAVE ITS INTERNAL STREETS -- I'M SORRY, ITS STREET SYSTEM CONNECT TO ADD JOAN ADJOINING STUB STREETS SO, YOU WILL SEE FAIR GREEN, IT IS OFFSET WITH THE STUB ON ROSEMEAD, EACH OF THOSE ARE 50 FOOT CURRENT RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT THE CITY HAS ON EITHER SIDE.

THE INITIAL REQUEST WAS FOR 100 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO BASICALLY CONNECT THE STREETS, SO IT WOULD BE AN S-CURVE, SINCE THEN IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE DAYS, I HAVE HEARD FROM THE CITY VIA PROJECT DOCS THEY WERE WILLING TO RECUES THAT TO 50 FEET. I WOULD KINDLY ASK AND I THINK THE REASON WE'RE HERE AND SO MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS THINK WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK THIS COMMITTEE THERE BE NO RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT THERE BE NO STREET CONNECTION AND THAT WE SIMPLY DID THIS FIVE LOT, MINOR LOT SPLIT, ALL IT IS IS CARVING UP THE ONE PIECE OF LAND THAT'S TOO BIG FOR ANY OF US TO OWN TO FIVE SMALLER LOTS. THE UDO SECTION SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER, I GUESS ME IN N THAT CASE, MUST CONNECT INTERNAL STREET SYSTEMS, STREET SYSTEMS TO THE SUB STREETS, THERE IS NO STREET STOMS MY DEVELOPMEN, THERE'S NO STREETS BEING PROPOSED, THERE'S NO BUILDINGS BEING PROPOSED, IT'S A SIMPLE LOT SPLIT.

SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE CONSIDER APPROVING THIS BASED ON THAT UDO POTENTIALLY NOT APPLYING SINCE THERE ARE NO STREET SYSTEMS. IF THE COMMITTEE DECIDES AND UNDERSTANDS AND SAYS THE UDO DOES APPLY, THEN I WOULD ASK THAT I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A WAIVER PROCESS THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING IGNORANT TO ALL THE PROCESSES, I REALLY DIDN'T LEARN ABOUT THAT WAIVER UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT THAT POINT WHEN THIS WAS THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG AND TOO LATE FOR THIS MEETING. SO, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN I WOULD ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE CONDITIONALLY APPROVE OUR PRIMARY PLAT AND THIS PLAN FOR THIS MINOR LOT SPLIT CONTINGENT ON GOING TO COMMITTEE EITHER ON 31ST WHICH I KNOW IS ONE OF THE STAFF REPORT SUGGESTIONS AND WE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THE WAIVER OF RESENDING OUT LETTERS OR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING OR WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS, I WOULD DEFER TO ALEXIA WHO'S BEEN A BIG HELP PR THE CITY PLANNING OR THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKED TO NR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, HOWEVER I NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT WAIVER. I THINK YOU'LL HEAR HOW I YIELD MY TIME BACK SO MY NEIGHBORS CAN SPEAK. I THINK YOU WILL HEAR THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS FOR 30 YEARS, THE SHINING GEM OF BOTH OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS IS THEY'RE QUIET, SAFE, COMMUNITY FOCUSED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ON A ST. PATRICK'S DAY, THEY'RE ALL WILLING TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT AND RALLY AROUND THE REASON BEING THAT THESE DON'T NEED TO BE CONNECTED, WE DON'T NEED TO CUT DOWN STRAOE TREES IN CARMEL, THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM GETTING CUT DOWN IN OTHER PLACES. WE REALLY DON'T NEED PAVEMENT AND A ROAD -- FOR A ROAD THAT NOBODY NEEDS AND NOBODY'S ASKING FOR, SO THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> T*UR VERY MUCH. BY A SHOW OF HANDS, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD TLIEK SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION? OKAY. GREAT. SO, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LIKELY GO A LITTLE BIT OVER BUT I WILL ALLOW THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, SO THAT WE MOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY. WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP, IF SOMEBODY COULD BE STANDING ASIDE READY TO GO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, AND BRICK WILL RUN THE LIGHT SOS YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THREE LIGHTS UP THERE, RED, YELLOW AND GREEN, WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW, THAT'S YOUR WARN HATING YOU'RE CLOSING IN AND RED IS WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, SO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PLEASE, EACH PERSON STATE YOUR NAME AND GENERALLY WHERE YOU

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THERE WAITING TO GO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> HI NAME IS BEVERLY, I LIVER IN FAIR GREEN TRACE SUBDIVISION, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, IT IS A VERY SWEET, QUIET, LOVELY NEIGHBORLY NEIGHBORHOOD AS IS ROSEMEAD, AND THIS IS MY HOMETOWN THAT I HAVE LIVED IN MANY YEARS IN ALASKA, I WAS IN NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PRIVATEER PARTNERSHIP, I WORKED WITH LOT WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WITH PLANNERS, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOLKS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IN ALL THAT TIME, ONE OF OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, IT MUST BE CODE, LET'S TAKE A SWEET LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE AND THERE, THANK YOU, WITH A VERY NICE ACCESSIBLE ARTERIAL RIGHT THERE AND DRIVE A ROAD THROUGH A VERY SWEET RARE LOVELY WOODLAND BETWEEN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FUN, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ANOTHER ROAD THAT NOBODY'S CLAMBERING FOR, BECAUSE IT WOULD DISRUPT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISRUPT THE WILD LIEFZ AND THE TREES IN THE WOODLAND. I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR IT REALLY AND I'LL TELL YOU IT WAS PARTLY BECAUSE I LIVED THERE AND I THINK IT'S A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE SWEET NEIGHBORHOODS NEXT TO EACH OTHER WITH THIS VERY ACCESSIBLE NICE LITTLE ARTERIAL RIGHT THERE AND BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE IN ANCHORAGE SHOWED ME ONCE YOU START TEARING DOWN THE TREES AND BUILD ROADS, THEY DON'T HAVE A DEFENDABLE REASON, THEN YOU'RE NOT DOING A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANKS.ER YOUR SERVICE, FOLKS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]. OKAY.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE F THE NEXT PERSON COULD COME UPFRONT AND

BE WAITING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> MY NAME'S JUDY SHELLY, I HAVE TO TELL YOU I DON'T HAVE CREDENTIALS LIKE I DID IN REFERENCE TO ALL THIS, I'M JUST A NEIGHBOR THERE, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE THE SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT, I WAS ONE TOF HOUSES TO MOVE IN THERE AND ROSEMEAD WAS ALREADY THERE AND IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN TRINITY HAD TO COME O THE CITY I'M ASSUMING TO GET PERMISSION TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY BACK THERE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IN ALL NAOEZ YEARS THAT ROAD HAS NOT BEEN NECESSARY, IT WASN'T REQUIRED WHEN THEY GRAVER YOU THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED TO PUT THAT LOT TOGETHER. THERE'S ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN BOTH SUBDIVISIONS AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED A ROAD THAT THESE PEOPLE FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MY NEIGHBORS WHO BOUGHT BACK ON THAT CORNER LOT T, I THINK THAT WAS THEIR ANTICIPATION, IT WAS GOING TO SAY LIKE THAT, IT WASN'T GOING TO HAVE A ROAD RUNNING THROUGH IT AND I THINK IT JUST -- WE DONE HAVE A LOT OF CRIME BUT IT IS ANOTHER ESCAPE FOR PEOPLE, IF SOMEBODY WANT TOS GO IN, IT'S ANOTHER WAY OUT.

MAYBE IT WOULD CREATE MORE SPEEDING, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S BECOME NECESSARY TO PUT A ROAD TWAOEP TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE PER SEKT ACCESS TO

1616TH -- 116TH FOR ALL EMERGENCY ACCESS VEHICLES. >> IF WE COULD HOLD THE APPLAUSE, FOR SAKE OF TIME, IF WE COULD HOLD THE APPLAUSE, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. SIR, GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

ER >> PAUL, I LIVER ON FAIR GREEN TRACE, ME AND MY WIFE WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO BUY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 26 YEARS NOW.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DESIGN WITCHED A SUB STREET. IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH ROSEMEAD'S SUB STREET FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS DESIGNED, IFT NEER WAS AN IS WITHDREW AND JUST BECAUSE A PROPERTY BECAME AVAILABLE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT AN EXCUSE TO CHANGE THAT ORIGINAL DESIGN. RIGHT NOW NO NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE EXIT SIGNS AT THE START OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT MEANS FOR EVERY PETTY CRIMINAL THAT'S LOOKING TO DO WHATEVER, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO COME OUT THE SAME WAY THEY CAME IN AND THAT'S A DETERRENT.

THE MOMENT YOU PUT THAT CONNECTOR IN, THOSE SIGNS DISAPPEAR AS WELL.

STATISTICALLY IT'S A PROVEN FACT THAT MULTIENTRY/EXIT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE HIGHER CRIME STATISTICS BECAUSE OF THAT, SO, BEYOND THE OBVIOUS, WHY CHANGE SOMETHING AFTER 26 YEARS THAT WASN'T A MAJOR ISSUE BEFORE? THE LAND COULD HAVE BEEN A A ANNEX AND HAD THE CONNECTION COULD HAVE BEEN MADE THEN, WHY DIMINISH THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT OF THE GORGEOUS WOODEN

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YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, UP NEXT, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS ASHLEY, I LIVER AT 1669 ROSEMEAD DRIVE, EVE BEEN A CARMEL RESIDENT SINCE 2010 AND I USED THE LIVE OFF 146TH, IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, IT'S VERY BUSY, WE HAD CARS CONSTANTLY GOING BY OUR HOUSE EVERY DAY, WE PICKED THIS HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS A DEAD END STREET, I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, ONE AND FOUR WHO, PLAY OUTSIDE EVERY DAY, IT IS ON A CUL-DE-SAC. IF YOU PUT A ROAD HERE, MY CHILDREN WITH L NOT BE SAFE OUTSIDE BY THEMSELVES ANY LONGER, I WATCH THEM THROUGH WINDOW, I WATCH THEM THROUGH THE WINDOWS, WE ARE ALL OUTSIDE, IT'S HARD TO KEEP A ONE AND FOUR YEAR-OLD ENTERTAINED AT ALL TILES. SO MY PLEA TO THIS COMMITTEE IS TO NOT PUT THE ROAD OUT OF THE SAFETY OF MY CHILDREN AND ALL THE OTHER CHILDREN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> THANK YOU, NEXT UP. >> I'M KEVIN BOW W*EN, I LIVE RIGHT THERE, SO THIS REALLY AFFECTS ME AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES NEXT TO ME HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT. LE'S IN HIS 90'S, HE WALKS REGULARLY WITH HIS WALKER IN THE ROAD BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK HAS A FEW BUMPS BECAUSE OF THE TREES, HE WALKS WITH HIS WALKER IN THE ROAD AND HE FEELS COMPLETELY SAFE TO DO THAT AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC AROUND THE AREA. THE WOODS, EVERYBODY'S TALKED ABOUT,WE SEE THE DEER REGULARLY, WE JUST BUILT A SUN ROOM TO A FOUR SEASONS ROOM TO ENJOY THE VIEW BACK THERE EVEN MORE AND CUTTING DOWN THOSE TREES TO MAKE FOR THE ROAD WOULD REDUCE THAT DRASTICLLY AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SAFETY ASPECT, WE FEEL COMPLETELY SAFE, IT'S CARMEL SO I KNOW IT'S SAFE BUT IT'S EVEN SAFER BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE OF IT AND I FOUND FOUR STUDIES FROM 2017 TO 2020 THAT TALK ABOUT HOW CUL-DE-SAC REGIONS AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE LOWER CRIME THAN GRID NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE OF -- IT'S ONE WAY AND ONE WAY OUT, SO IT'S SAFE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND WE'VE GOT KIDS ON ONE SIDE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT WALKING IN THE ROAD AT TIMES, OUR GRANDCHILDREN PLAY AT THE END OF THAT DEAD END AND UT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE CARMEL TAKE DOWN THOSE TREES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UP NEXT, PLEASE: >> MY NAME IS LYDIA, I LIVER ON 1598 QUAIL GLEN COURT, I'M ON THE FAIR GREEN TRACE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN AUGUST OF 2022, WE DOWN SIZED MOVING FROM FISHERS INTO CARMEL, MAINLY INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE WERE SINGLE STORY SMALLER RETIREMENT TYPE HOMES SO THAT WAS OUR PLAN FOR OUR LONGER TERM RETIREMENT SX, THEY CALL US THE WALKERS BECAUSE WE DO WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD MULTIMILLION TIMES A -- MULTIPLE TIMES OF DAY BUT ONE OF THE POINTS I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT TAKING OUT SOME OF THOSE TREES AND PUT AGO ROAD THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IN CARMEL AS THIS GENTLEMAN SAID, IT'S FORCING MORE AND MORE D WE HAD AN ISSUE LAST YEAR WITH RACCOONS TRYING TO GET UNDER OUR DECK AND HAVING BABY, I'VE SEEN CHI OYOTES AND FOXES, WE HAVE DEER, THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE SO THAT PARCEL OF LAND IS IS ONE OF THEIR HABITATS TO I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, IT WILL FORCE SOME MORE AND WHETHER YOU LOVE ANIMALS OR NOT, IT FORCES THEM OUT OF THEIR NATURAL HABITAT INTO OTHER PLACES AND THEY EAT OUR TREE AND IS OUR PLANT AND IS AND STUFF, ANYBODY WHO LIVER

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HAVE NOT BEEN ANY BREAK-INS. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, PLEASE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS TOM, I I HAVE LIVED AND WORKED IN CARMEL FOR 40 YEARS.

WE ARE THIS LOT. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 26 YEARS. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT HAS TALKED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE SO I'M NOT GOING THE SPEND TIME ON IT.

PART OF THE REASON WE HAVE THE WILDLIFE IS BECAUSE WE PUT FOOD OUT FOR THEM.

I THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE FROM FAIR GREEN TRACE -- WHILE THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE ME BUT THEY PROBABLY WOULD RECOGNIZE MY FRENCH BULLDOG THAT COMES DOWN, I SAY YOU LAST WEEK, SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. WE WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE A BIT AND INTERACT WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, RIGHT AT THE END WHERE YOU CALL THE STUB RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A BASKETBALL HOOP THAT SOFM THE OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CARE TO ENJOY AND I'M PLEADING WITH YOU TONIGHT THAT IF YOU PUT A STREET THERE, THAT MY MBA NBA DREAMS WILL DIE, IF YOU'VE SEEN THE PACERS, MAYBE THERE'S HOPE FOR ME.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE WILDLIFE AND THE TRAOES, I -- TREES, I WISH I COULD EXPRESS TOO YOU, WHEN YOU WAKE UP OP A SUMMER MORNING, THE BEAUTY OF THAT SPACE WHIT TURNS GREEN, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT PRETTY, I CAN SEE YOU OCCASIONALLY, AND THE SUN ROOM LOOKS GOOD.

IF YOU CAN THAT BEAUTY THE WAY WE SEE IT AND WE'D LOVE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY SO WE CAN ENJOY IT AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN ENJOY IT FOR A LONG TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DWAOD EVENING, I'M DEBRA, I LIVER AT 11668 ROAD IMMEDIATE DRIVE AND MY HUSBAND AND I AND OUR FAMILY HAVE LIVED IN ROSEMEAD COMMONS FOR THE PAST 24 YEARS. I AM THE HOA PRESIDENT AND HAVE BEEN IN JOHN THOMAS' OFFICE WHO IS THE MANGROVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS. I'LL SHOW YOU WHY. TO THE WEST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A BASIN OVER HERE AND THEN WE HAVE A POINT OF CONTENTION OR DEBATE WITH AMONGST HOME OWNRS OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM WHICH INCLUDES THE DRAINAGE PIPES AND OUR RETENTION POND, WHERE DO RESPONSIBLE LIE. I WANT TO POINT TO THIS BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS, JOHN THOMAS HAS EDUCATED ME ABOUT THIS AREA, THE TOPOGRAPHICAL AREA AND HOW WATER DRAINS. THIS AREA HERE, MANY PORTIONS OF CARMEL ARE WETLANDS AND THIS AREA RIGHT OVER HERE DRAINS WEST DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA. SO, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I URGE YOU TO NOT PUT -- TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT AREA TO PRESERVE IT IS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. THIS WILL HELP WITH OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, IT WILL PREVENT FLOODING INCIDENTS. I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT YOU DO HAVE IN CARMEL, IT WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS DEALING WITH FLOODING ISSUES. ONCE YOU BUILD AND ONCE YOU PUT DOWN ASPHALT, YOU TAKE OUT OF COMMISSION BEAUTIFUL AREAS, SOIL THAT CAN CAN ABSORB WATER, STORMWATER.

SO, FROM A VERY PRACTICAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, I URGE YOU THE PLEASE LEAVE THIS PROPERTY UNTOUCHED. THE OTHER THING TOO ALSO IS THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS BEEN DISTINGUISHED BY ITS CANOPY OF TREES, BY ITS TREE PLANTING APPROACH TO DEVELOPMENT.

BY DOING ANYTHING TO DISTURB THIS AREA, YOU'RE NOW COMPROMISING THAT GOAL.

THE OTHER THING ALSO IS THAT YOU HAVE GOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS HAPPENED BETWEEN 116TH STREET AND [INAUDIBLE], YOU HAVE A BIG COMPLEX THERE.

WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO MAINTAIN THE GREEN AREA IN THIS SPACE AND TO HELP ABSORB SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON 116TH STREET AND RANGE LINE SHOULD BE A PRIORITY OF YOURS.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD EVER WANTONING, MY NAME IS KYLE PARK, I LIVE AT 11704 GABRIELLE'S END COURT WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT THERE. MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1995, MY WIFE AND I ARE HERE TO VOICE OUR OPPOSITION IN CONNECTING THESE TWO ROADS. LIKE TOM SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT WILDLIFE ALREADY. I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE HARMONY AND TRANG -- TRANG QUILT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER WE'RE SITTING ON OUR FRONT OR BACK PORCH ENJOYING NATURE, WE HAVE A WOODEN LOT BACK THERE, WE DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT OF CONNECTING THESE RHODES, WE SEE THEY WOULD BE A DETRIMENT ALL THE WAY AROUND. I KNOW TIME IS SHORT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK, SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HELLO, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE, BY THE WAY, ANDY SPENCER, I LIVE RIGHT HERE, NO, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT IT BACKWARDS, I LIVE RIGHT HERE.

SO I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ADJOINING SOME OF THE PROPERTY.

I HAVE LIVED IN OUR HOUSE SINCE 2010, FOUR KIDS, HAVE ALL GROWN UP THERE, RIDING BIKES UP AND DOWN THIS STREET, RUNNING UP AND DOUP THE STREET, FRIENDS, HIDE N SEEK, THE IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE BOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS WE LOVED THAT IT JUST ENDED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND WE LOVED THE SAFETY THAT BRINGS, SUCH A CLOSE KNIT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE GET A LOT OF WALKERS, I KNOW A LOT OF FAIR GREEN TRACE WALKERS WE SEE COMING BY OUR HOUSE BUT WE'RE SO -- WE LOVE THE VIBE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SAFETY THAT IT BRINGS SO MUCH THAT WE'RE -- WE'RE INVESTING OUR OWN DOLLARS INTO EXPANDING OUR PROPERTY TO KIND OF PROTECT THAT. SO, I THINK JOINING THOSE STREETS WOULD BRING A LOT OF NEGATIVES, SOME WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT AND THEN I LOVE DEBBIE'S THINGS WE DON'T THINK ABOUT, NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES, SO JUST VOICING MY OPPOSITION, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS BRIAN, THE FAIR GREEN TRACE, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS THE PRESIDENT, THE HOA, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AS A COMMUNITY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK ROSEMEAD AND KYLE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE EPITOME OF A GOOD COMMUNITY DOES, IT LOOKS FOR WAYS TO HOLD AND BUILD VALUE IN POZ TA*IF WAY -- POSITIVE WAYS. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT CARMEL IS IS HOW INTENTIONAL WE ARE ABOUT PLANNING THINGS AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT TRINITY HAD TO DO TO BUILD THE SUBDIVISION OR ALL THE NATURAL BUFFER THAT IS ARE PUT IN PLACE, ALONGSIDE OF A BUFFER THAT WAS NATURALLY THERE AND OPENED, AND I'M WONDERING IF 26 YEARS AGO, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO BRING THOSE TWO BUTTS TOGETHER, WHY WOULD IT MAKE SENSE NOW AND WHEN I THINK AGAIN ABOUT CARMEL AND THE INTENTIONALITY OF A PLAN, I LISTEN TO THIS AND I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO CONNECT.

AND FAIR GREEN TRACE IS A XLAOUNT MY WIFE AND I HAVE COME TO LOVE IN SUCH A WAY AND COME TO LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AT ROSEMEAD, WE ALL TALK AND WALK AND DO THINGS TOGETHER BUT WE'RE MORE OF AN AGING COMMUNITY, MOST OF US CAME THERE AS EMPTY NETS AND TO TO LIVE OUT WHATEVER WE HAVE I GUESS AND SAFETY IS AN ISSUE. WE WATCH OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER, WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHO'S COMING IN, MAKING SURE THEY'RE GOING OUT.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SAFETY AND THE OTHER THING IS CURRENCY OF TIME AND VALUE IN LIFE AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE WILDLIFE, THE THINGS WE HAVE COME THE APPRECIATE AND THE GREEN SPACES THAT ARE HERE AND HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY PLANNED, I JUST CAN'T MAKE SENSE OF ANY REASON TO CONNECT THOSE TWO THINGS.

SO, I WOULD ASK AS WELL THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO STAND AS A COMMUNITY AND CHERISH AND LOVE THE THINGS WE HAVE COME TO KNOW TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON TO SPEAK.

>> HI, MY NAME IS JENNIFER SHAW, HAD THIS WAS MY LA* LAND FOR 45 YEARS AND 7 DECADES AGO,

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AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO BUILD A ROAD NOW. I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL, KYLE AND DEBRA DID COME TO ME THREE YEARS AGO TO PURCHASE THIS LAND, TO PRESERVE IT AND I WANTED TO DO THAT FOR MYSELF. THIS SUMMER, I FINALLY CAME TO THE DECISION THAT I COULD NO LONGER FINANCIALLY KEEP STEWARDSHIP OF THE LAND, THE TREES AND THE ANIMALS AND THAT WAS MY HUSBAND'S VISION FROM 7 DECADES AGO WHEN CARMEL WAS AN AWFUL LOT DIFFERENT, BUT CARMEL HAS HAD A VISION AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT LAND IS PART OF THE VISION.

AND I TOOK A FINANCIAL -- I COULD HAVE SOLD THIS LAND FOR MORE MONEY AND A COUPLE OTHER BUYERS, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A REASON TO PUT A ROAD IN BACK THERE, BUT I BELIEVED IN KYLE'S VISION AND HE'S MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO PLEASE KEEP IN MIND WHY PEOPLE LIVE HERE IN THIS CITY. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE VISION THAT YOU HAVE AND OF WHAT PEOPLE LIKE KYLE AND OUR NEIGHBORS IN ROSEMEAD AND OUR NEIGHBORS IN FAIR GREEN VALUE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE ANIMALS HIT BY CARS.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE TREES CUT DOWN. I HAVE SPENT TENS AND TENS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THOSE TREES WHEN THEY FALL DOWN. THEY ARE THIS BIG, OKAY, AND TO KEEP THEM FROM FALLING ON MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, BUT IT'S BEEN IMPORTANT TO US AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR MY NEIGHBORS FOR CARRYING ON THAT VISION. AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU THAT

ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. [APPLAUSE].

SOFRJTS, WALLACE, 1173, WE'RE IN ROSEMEAD, WE ARE THIS LOT RIGHT HERE.

AND SO I'M GOING TO THROW MY VERY LAST APPEAL HERE FOR SAFETY.

WE ARE THE PROUD PARENTS OF A 34 YEAR O*EL DOWN SYNDROME SON WHO IS HEARING IMPAIRED SO SAFETY IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO US AND HE ALSO HAS THE -- HE HEARD ABOUT THE BASKETBALL COURT, HE'S ONE OF THE MAIN USERS OF THE BASKETBALL COURT, SO TOM AND BANNER ARE AT IT ALL THE TIME SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WE JUST APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF IT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANT TOS SPEAK?

ONE MORE? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> CAN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM. SO THAT PEOPLE WATCHING ONLINE CAN HEAR AS WELL.

>> JUDY SHELLY AGAIN, I THINK IT WILL AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES, I TRULY DO.

LIKE MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID HERE, THEY MOVED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWING THAT IT WAS AN IN AND OUT ONLY ONE WAY AND OUR PROPERTY HAS BEEN SELLING VERY, VERY WELL, WE'VE DONE VERY WELL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DO BELIEVE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL DEFINITELY TAKE AWAY FROM THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTIES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PETITIONER, YOU DO HAVE FIVE MINUTES THE FOR REBUTTAL IF YOU

WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ANY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, COMMITTEE, AND THANK YOU, NEIGHBORS, THANK YOU, JENNIFER I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU'RE SIT, BUT THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT TODAY. I MADE A COMMITMENT TO JENNIFER WHY I WANTED THIS PROPERTY AND IT WAS TO KEEP THE WILDLIFE AND THE NATURE AND THE FEEL OF IT. IF ME TRYING TO SPLIT THIS LOT OUT TO FIVE MINOR LOTS TO SHARE IN THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN WITH MY OTHER NEIGHBORS IS NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF BECAUSE A ROAD WOULD NEED TO PUT IN OR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT THE CITY -- ITS OWN STAFF SAID A REPORT IS NEEDED, YOU JUST WANT A RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO I WOULD FIND

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I MEAN, IT'S THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH, THANK YOU TO THE ALL THE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WILLING TO SPEAK X THE 17 OF YOU WHO SENT E-MAILS, SOME OF YOU WHO ARE HERE DID AND SOME OF YOU DIDN'T. THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO THE RESIDENTS OF BOTH SUBDIVISIONS, I HEAR YOU GUYS IN ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS, I'M HONORED TO KNOW SO MANY HAVE SAID MANY TIMES, YOU HAVE ASKED DEVELOPERS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY TREES AND ASPHALT AND ABOUT GREEN SPACE, I'M ASKING NO ASPHALT, I'M ASKING FOR GREEN SPACE AND I'M ASKING TO NOT GIVE A RIGHT OF WAY WHEN CLEARLY EVERYONE IN -- OR AT LEAST MOST PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING FOR IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE

DEPARTMENT COMMENTS. ER >> ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AS WAS STATED, THIS PETITIONER IS REQUESTING A MINOR SUBDIVISION, SO IT'S FIVE PARCELS THEY WOULD LIKE THE CREATE AND THEY'VE SAID IT'S IN ORDER SAVE THOSE TREES THAT ARE OUT ON THAT PARCEL.

LOTS 2 AND 3 WILL NOT BE BUILDABLE LOTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE STREET FRONTAGE THA,'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS THIS THE UDO, ANY NEW PARCEL HAS TO HAVE ACCESS FROM A PUBLIC STREET, THE INTENT WAS THOSE COULD BE COMBINE TODAY THE PARCELS TO THE WEST.

LOTS 1, 4 AND 5 COULD HAVE A HOME BUILT ON THEM IN A PEW KHUR, THEY WOULD BE BUILDABLE LOTS, BUT THE PETITIONER HAS INDICATED THEY DESIRE TO KEEP THE LOTS AS IS AND PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES, NOT NECESSARILY THERE'S NO TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT SO AGAIN IT COULD BE BIT ON AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION AS STATED AND GENERALLY THE SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST, HOWEVER THERE IS ONE REQUIREMENT IN THE UDO THAT'S NOT BEING MET THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED RARING THING STUB STREET, ANY TIME A NEW SUBDIVISION COMING IN, ANY TIME SOMEBODY WANT TOS SPLIT LAND AND CREATE NEW LOTS WEBSINGER HAVE TO COMPARE IT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE RULE INS THERE, SO EVERY SUBDIVISION IS THE SAME BASICALLY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED. WE AS STAFF DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETION TO IMPOSE SOME RULE AND IS NOT OTHERS SO THAT'S WHY THIS HAS COME UP, THE REQUIREMENT IS IF THERE'S STUB STREET THAT IS KEGT TO A PARCEL, YOU NEED TO CONNECT TO THOSE STUB STREETS AND THERE'S MANY REASONS FOR THAT AND I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THEM, I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION ABOUT THAT. WE NEATER JUST DOING THIS FOR FUNCTION WE DON'T HAVE THESE RULES JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRY TO GET RID OF WILDLIFE OR CUT DOWN TREES.

THERE ARE GOALS, WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, THEY'RE ASKING TO CREATE TWO NEW BUILDABLE LOTS, WE'RE ASKING TO HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE IN CASE THERE IS A NEED IN THE FUTURE, ONE OF THE REASONS WOULD BE FOR SUFFICIENT ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES BUT IF THERE WERE AN ACCIDENT ALONG 116TH STREET AND THEY COULDN'T GET INTO HOOVER THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THA,'S WHY WITH ASK FOR CONNECTED STREETS, FOR US TO GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE LIZ IF THEY COULDN'T GET IN ON THE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT AS WAS MENTIONED. WE ALSO THINK IT IS GOOD FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE CONNECTED AND PROMOTES NEIGHBORLINESS BECAUSE YOU COULD WALK OVER TO YOUR NEIGHBOR IF YOU WANTED OR IF THERE WERE CHILDREN FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ANOTHER, THEY HAVE AN EASY ACCESS THROUGH THE

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NEIGHBORHOODS. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER, THEY COULDN'T BE TODAY, AND THEY GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE SAME REASONING OF INCREASING PEDESTRIAN AND PUBLIC ACCESS, MORE SUFFICIENT FOR PUBLIC S*FRS AND IS GEP IMPROVING SAFETY FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AMBULATORY ACCESS, POLICE ACCESS, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS THAT THE STANDARD AND THE RULE IS IN THERE AND THAT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT WE HAVE AND WE'RE APPLYING IT TO THIS SUBDIVISION. NOW, THERE IS A WAIVER PROCESS, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DID THAT, THEY CAN APPLY FOR A WAIVER THEY WOULD STATE BEFORE YOU AND GO THROUGH THEIR HARDSHIP AND IS REASONING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, SO IF KYLE WANT TODAY GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, HE WOULD FILE THAT AND STATE THE HARDSHIPS BEFORE YOU.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT A A LOT TODAY AND IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE THIS CONTINGENT UPON THAT, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION, SO YOU COULD APPROVE THE MIEP NOR SUBDIVISION WHICH IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, CONTINGENT UPON APPLYING TO THE WAIVER TO NOT MEET THAT STUB STREET REQUIREMENT. WE SUGGEST IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT THAT THIS GO TO THE MARCH 31 PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING TO GIVE MORE TIME THE HASH OUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT. IF HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO DEDICATE OR NOT, IF HE WANTED TO APPLY FOR THE WAIVER, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THIS BE SENT TO THE MARCH 31 PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING.

THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING OPEN IT UP TO MY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> FIRST OFF I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I REALLY ADMIRE THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE THE LAND AS IT IS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST, IF YOU LIKE YOUR VIEW, THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT IT IS TO BUY IT.

WELL, THIS GUY BOUGHT IT, SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE -- WE SHOULD REWARD PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE WOODED AREAS AND WILDLIFE HERE IN CARMEL.

I DO WANT TO DEFEND ALEXIA A LITTLE BIT, CONNECTIONS ARE CREATED FOR SAFETY BECAUSE OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES NEEDING ACCESS, I'M PERSONALLY INCLINED IF EVERYTHING STAYS AS IT IS, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A CONNECTION IS NEEDED BECAUSE IT IS NOT NEEDED AT THE MOMENT, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVEN'T MADE IT CLEAR WHETHER YOU PLAN TO BUILD ON THREE LOTS YET. AND SO IF -- I'M WONDERING IF -- AND THIS WILL GO TO COMMITTEE, IF WE CAN PUT A CONDITION IN THERE SAYING WE DON'T NEED THE ROAD IF EVERYTHING STAYS AS IT IS, BUT IF YOU PLAN TO BUILD ON THESE LOTS, IT NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE AND WE'RE NOT SAYING WE WILL FORCE YOU TO BUILD THE ROAD BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW AT THIS MOMENT WHAT THAT IMPACT IS AND THOSE NEW HOMES -- EXCUSE ME, FOLK, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE TALKING, BUT YOU SAY YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THE AREA, I WANT TO KEEP THAT AS IT IS AND -- BUT IF THREE HOUSES DO GO IN, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR WHAT THESE HOUSE SIZES ARE, WHAT THEY WOULD BE AND YOU SAY IN THE REPORT THAT YOU HAVE NO PLANS TO BUILD HOUSES, IF THAT'S THE TRUTH, I WOULD SAY KEEP IT AS IT IS, BUT IF PLANS DO COME FORWARD TO FINANCIALLY BENEFIT FROM BUYING THIS PROPERTY I THINK THAT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, IT DOESN'T MEAN A ROAD WILL ABSOLUTELY BE NEEDED BUT I DO THINK THAT DISCUSSION SHOULD BE HAD AT THIS TIME.

IS THAT POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION? >> I WOULD THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD CONDITION FOR LIKE SUPPORTING THE WAIVER AND THAT IT WOULD COME BACK -- SUPPORT THE WAIVER TO NOT PUT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY CONNECTION AND THEN IF IT COMES --

>> THE HOMES WILL DESTROY SOME OF THE WOODED AREA AND THE NATURE.

>> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU AS FAR AS THE IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, I BROUGHT IT UP ASK IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. FORGIVE ME, OFF MY NOTES, I DON'T REMEMBER THE INDIANA

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TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT QUICK, BOTH OF THE CONTRACT TS, I HAVE ONE SIGNED AGREEMENT WITH A NEIGHBOR, I DON'T ON THE OTHER ONE YET, THOSE HAD A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL CLAUSE ON THEM, SO THEY -- I COULD BUY THE PROPERTY BACK FROM THEM SO I MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THIS.

I PUT THAT IN THERE SPECIFICALLY SO I HAVE THE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO, YOU GRAVER ME YOUR WORD, I'M BUYING IT BACK.

>> YEAH, EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING SOUNDS GREAT, DON'T TAKE OFFENSE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT PEOPLE TELL US WHAT HAPPENS, BUT WHAT YOU TELL ME SOUNDS GOOD.

>> THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CUT DOWN TREE AND IS THEY CLEAR UT EVERYTHING A COUPLE OF

DAYS AGO. >> DEBBIE? >> DITTO TO MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ADAM JUST SAID. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING, COULD YOU WHILE YOU HAVE YOUR VISUAL UP THERE POINT WHERE THE THREE POTENTIAL -- EMPHASIS,

POTNTIAL LOT ARES THAT COULD BE BUILT ON? >> SO, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE LOT LINES IN THERE. THE ONE PROPOSEDLOT LINE WOULD BE HERE WHERE I SHARED A BORDER WITH THE SPENCER, IT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHERN PART, SO MY LOT THAT I'M MAINTAINING WOULD BE A

BUILDABLE LOT TECHNICALLY. >> SO, AND EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOUR EXPLANATION, IF THERE WERE A HOME BUILT THERE, WHERE WOULD THE ACCESS TO THE HOME BE?

>> IT WOULD BE ON 116TH, THERE'S CURRENTLY A HOME AND AN OUT HOME THERE NOW.

. ER THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING A DETERMINATION BASED ON PROJECTS, THEN I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE

HYPOTHETICAL ARE, THEP THE OTHER TWO -- >> THE OTHER TWO WOULD BE BACK HERE. THE WAY I HAVE IT IS THAT THIS LOT RIGHT HERE THAT THE ISHES ARE PURCHASING, THEY LIVE RIGHT THERE, THAT LOT IS WHERE ONE B HOME COULD BE NICKEL

BUILT AND THIS LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE. >> SO, THE TWO NORTHERN MOST PARCELS ASSUMING THAT THE SUBDIVISION -- THE DIVISION OF THE PLAT GOES THROUGH, THEN HOW WOULD THOSE HOMES BE ACCESSED. AT THAT POINT WOULD IT BECOME NECESSARY TO PUT A STREET BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT YOU COULD -- THERE COULD BE DRIVEWAY TOS ACCESS

THE TWO HOMES? >> I WOULD DEFER A LITTLE BIT TO THE COMMITTEE AND ALEXIA ON THAT. THERE IS A 50 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE THAT STUB STREET IS THERE. WE INDEED, ANDREW BAXTER, MY ENGINEER, COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. THERE IS AN EASEMENT, SO THIS IS A ZOOM-IN OF THE TWO LOTS IN QUESTION, WE HAD ORIGINALLY PUT AN ACCESS EASEMENT THERE KNOWING THAT PART OF THE RULES OR THAT A LOT HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO A STREET AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ROSEMEAD ON THE WEST, THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE OF NOT WANTING TO CLEAR CUT AND REMOVE ANY OF THAT FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR DO ANYTHING THERE. SO, YES, IF WE FAST FORWARD 15 YEARS AND SOMEONE BREAKS THEIR WORD AND BUILDS THERE, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD ACCESS ON ROSEMEAD OR YOU COULD MAKE IT CONTINGENT ON A BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUE SOD IF THEY DID

THAT, THEN A RIGHT OF WAY WOULD HAVE TO BE GRANTED. >> I WANT TO COMMEND, WE GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT BUILDING BY ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SOLUTION IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING BUILT IS TO BUY THE LAND AND CONTROL IT, SO, I WANT TO JUST ECHO THE COMPLIMENT FOR THAT. I'M GOING TO -- WHEN YOUR COMMENTS ARE DONE, I WILL MOVER TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE SUBJECT TO WORKING OUT WHAT I THINK IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD PROCEED WITH DIVIDING THE PLAT AND DEFERRING A ROAD OR A CONNECTOR STREET, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BUT THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE DWOT TO COME UP WITH THE APPEAL PROCESS.

SO, MY QUESTION THEN, MY LAST QUESTION IS DOES THE -- WILL THE COMMITTEE THEN HAVE THAT

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>> JUST BECAUSE OF THE DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC NOTICE, THEY NEED AT LEAST 21 DAYS AND USUALLY IT'S BEFORE A PLAN COMMISSION -- SO I THINK WE COULD GET THEM TO THE APRIL PLAN COMMISSION, THAT NOTICE WOULD BE DUE I THINK BY MARCH 31, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE READY FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU, JONATHAN? >> YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO ECHO THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, I USUALLY ALIGN MYSELF PRETTY CLOSELY WITH STAFF, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEIR INTERPRETATIONS. THEY'RE LIMITED AND THEY'RE CONFINED BY THE LIMITS OF THE UDO. SO, I UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INCLUDING THE CONNECTION OF THE ROAD, HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S ALSO EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE AND I THINK THERE'S EXCEPTIONS WHEN THE NEED DOESN'T PRESENT ITSELF O DOESN'T RISE TO TOP SO AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING THAT STEP, MOST PEOPLE JUST COMPLAIN ABOUT DEVELOPMENT HAVING NEXT TO YOU, YOU TOOK THE STEP TO ACQUIRE IT. SOME OF MY CONCERNS WITH EXTENDING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND EXTENDING THE ROAD INCLUDE -- YOU CAN SEE ON THE DIAGRAM THEY'RE OFFSET, SO THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE PRETTY SEVERE CHANGE IN THE HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT OF THAT ROAD.

THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A NEED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FOR THE ROAD AT THIS TIME BUT I DO AGREE THAT IF THERE WERE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, THAT THAT SHOULD COME BACK HERE AND WE SLO -- SHOULD HAVE THAT K*FG AT THAT POINT. I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOU, YOUR NEIGHBORS, I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER SEEN A PETITION WHERE EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS COME UP AND SUPPORTED IT SO I THINK THAT'S UNIQUE AS WELL. BUT THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS

RIGHT NOW. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, JESS? >> I THINK THE CONDITIONAL WAIVER IS A GOOD PATH TO TAKE AND EXPLORE, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING WITHIN THE UDO, THE TRIGGERS THAT ARE CREATING THE CONNECTION OF THE STUB ROADS, ARE THERE CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE THAT WOULD NOT TRIGGER THE CONNECTION? OR SIT PRETTY MUCH A FULL REWORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE?

>> SO RIGHT NOW OP THE NORTH SIDE, THE TWO BUILDABLE LOTS, MAYBE IF THAT WAS LIKE ALL TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT OR IT WASN'T A BUILDABLE LOT, MAYBE THEN THAT WOULDN'T TRIGGER THE ROADS TO BE CONNECTED. OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S -- YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANOTHER WAY TO NOT TRIGGER THAT REQUIREMENT, IT'S BASICALLY ANY TIME YOU HAVE A NEW SUBDIVISION, ANY SUBDIVISION OF LAND, IF THERE'S A STUB STREET HERE THAT WAS PLAN AND HAD A STUB STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OR ONE STUB STREET HERE AND NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S REQUIRE TODAY

CONNECT TO THAT. >> THE TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT WOULD POTENTIALLY --

>> YEAH, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT CREATING THAT BUILD BBACKERABLE -- BUILDABLE LOT THERE, IT WILL BE PRESERVED FOREVER, LIKE A COMMON AREA, YEAH.

>> THAT'S IT FOR NOW. >> THAT'S A THOUGHT. >> GOOD QUESTIONS.

YES, COUNCILOR AASEN? >> THE CONDITIONAL WAIVER, WHO DECIDES THAT?

WHO MAKE IT IS DECISION ON THE CONDITIONAL WAIVER? >> THE WAIVER THAT'S REQUIRED?

>> YES. WE MAKE THAT DECISION? >> THE WAIVER COMES TO PLAN

COMMISSION. >> IF TAFS VARIANCE WHICH THIS WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE THA, WOULD GO TO BZA, THE WAIVER WOULD COME TO PLAN COMMISSION?

>> YES. >> TLA SO WE DECIDE WHAT THE WAIVER SAYS?

>> YES. >> THE FIRST WOULD BE APPROVING WITH A CONDITION OF A WAIVER, THEN WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE WAIVER SO IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS ESSENTIALLY.

>> RIGHT, YOU WOULD APPROVE THE PLAT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY APPLY FOR THE WAIVER AND THEN YOU WOULD HEAR THE WAIVER LATER AND VOTE ON THE

WAIVER SEPARATE. >> THEN I RAISE THIS POINT TOO, IF WE GET TO DECIDE LATER ON IN

THE WAIVER, DOES THIS NEED TO GO TO COMMITTEE? >> WELL, UNLESS -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEEN NEWLY BROUGHT UP TO THE PETITIONER, YOU MAY WANT

SOME TIME, WHEN -- IS IS IT TWO WOES, OUR COMMITTEE? >> IT'S MARCH 31.

>> MARCH 31. I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE'S GOT TIME TO THINK THROUGH THIS AND YOU HAVE TIME TO PROCESS AND HAVE TIME TO REALIZE WHAT THE STEPS LOOK LIKE AND MAKE SURE

YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, I DON'T WANT TO RUSH YOU? >> NO, ALEXIA FROM THE OFFICE AND SHELBY FROM THE ENGINEERING OFFICE HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE AND RESPONSIVE AND GET BACK AND ANSWER THINGS SUPER QUICKLY, SO, IN PROJECT DOCS, THEY BROUGHT UP THE PSHL OF A WAIVER

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COMMITTEE NEEDS THAT. >> I GUESS WE WILL DISCUSS WHAT THE WAIVER LOOSES LIKE IN COMMITTEE, BUT IF IT COMES BACK TO US, IT WILL COME BACK TO US SINCE WE'VE DISCUSSED WHAT IT

WILL LOOK LIKE. >> SO, EXCEPT FOR JUST -- HELP ME OUT, LEGAL, ALEXIA, ON THE PROCESS. IF WE VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, WE'D NEED TO SUSPEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, RIGHT, AND THEN CAMBER BUT WE CAN'T THEN -- HE HAS TO FILE FOR THE WAIVER FIRST, HE CAN'T THEN TURN AROUND AND TALK ABOUT THE WAIVER AT COMMITTEE?

>> NO, BUT IT WILL BE CONTINGENT UPON THE WAIVER AND THE WAIVER WOULD COME BACK HERE F HE DOESN'T APPLY TO THE WAIVER AND WE DON'T APPROVE THE WAIVER --

>> I'M JUST SAYING IF WE FINISH OUR WORK HERE TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMMITTEE ON THE 31ST TO TALK ABOUT THE WAIVER, YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILE THE PAPERWORK, IT WOULD BE HERE

MAYBE IN APRIL. >> IT WOULD BE ONE LESS MEETING. >> DOES THE WAIVER TRIGGER ADDITIONAL NOTICE, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER ?FRJTS YES.

>> DOES -- HOW DOES THIS IMPINGING WORK FOR YOU, WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU?

>> THE 21 DAY NOTICE DEPENDING ON DAY THE APRIL MEETING IS, CERTAINLY WE CAN TRY TO TURN THAT AROUND HERE IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AND GET THAT OUT FOR THE APRIL MEETING.

>> OKAY. SO, THEN IS THE -- DO WE NEED TO OR NOT SUSPEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, DOES THIS HAVE O GO TO COMMITTEE OR DOES IT? DOES IT HAVE TO?

>> GO AHEAD AND VOTE TO SUSPEND TE RULES OF PROCEDURE, YES. >> SO, IF PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE IN TAKING ACTION ON THE PLAT THIS EVENING, WE CAN SUSPEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE

BUT WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT FIRST. >> SUSPEND THE RULES. >> I FEEL LIKE WE GET ANOTHER

BITE AT THE APPLE WITH THE WAIVER. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY, ALL THOSE -- I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SUSPEND OUR RUNLESS AND PROCEDURE TOS

VOTE ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT. ALL NOSE IF FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED, HEARING NONE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARES SUSPENDED, SO DO I HAVE A

MOTION? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL UPON A WAIVER BEING

APPROVED. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS DOCKET, THE EVAS NEST MINOR SUBDIVISION BASED ON THE

APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, OKAY, WELL THEN CONGRATULATIONS, THE FIRST

STEP, THIS HAS PASSED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE].

>> AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THIS EFFORT TO PRESERVE SO MANY TREE AND IS PRESERVE THIS PRETTY TRACT AND TO FOLLOW UP ON JONATHAN'S COMMENT, TO ALL OF YOU, I HAVE NOT SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR AND ARTICULATE SO WELL THE ARGUMENT IN OPPOSITION TO A STREET CONNECTION, SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.

SO, THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING THIS EVENING. WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

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