[A. Call Meeting to Order] [B. Pledge of Allegiance] [00:00:16] >> GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING. WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [C. Roll Call] MR. SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [D. Declaration of Quorum] [E. Approval of Minutes] WE HAVE A QUORUM. UP NEXT IS APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM OUR JULY CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE MOTION. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE JULY MINUTES MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE SAY AYE. UP NEXT, COMMUNICATIONS, BILLS [F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report ] AND EXPENDITURES. >> I DON'T HAVE A REPORT PER SE BUT I BELIEVE THE STAFF MIGHT REQUEST REORGANIZATION OF AGENDA SINCE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED LONGER IN THE NEW BUSINESS UNDER J MIGHT BE SHORTER. >> ALL RIGHT. WE CAN MAKE JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S WARENESS, IT'S PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE PROCEDURES COME FIRST. WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER DOCKET. IT IS A PETITION. WITHOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE ORDER THAT SO WE CAN HEAR THAT FIRST? I THINK THE PETITIONERS CAN LEAVE AND STAY. I WOULD TAKE A MOTION TO REORDER SO I HEAR THE OFFICE BUILDING PETITION BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON HE1001. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REORDERING OUR AGENDA, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THEN THE AGENDA IS OFFICIALLY REORDERED. [G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns] UP NEXT THEN IS THE REPORTS ANNOUNCEMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEPARTMENT STAFF. A L ALEXIA? >> ONLY ITEMS I HAVE IS TO UPDATE YOU FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE WE HEARD THE HUNTERERS GLEN CHANGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED BUT THERE'S NO FINAL DECISION SO IT WAS CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 1ST AND THEN THE ASCENSION ST. VINCENT HEART CENTER. THE BUILDING AMENDMENTS WERE APPROVED BUT THE SIGNAGE WAS TABLED. THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON THERE AND WE NEED TO WRAP THAT UP SO THAT WILL COME BACK AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING AS WELL. THANK YOU. [J.1. Docket No. PZ-2026-00165 ADLS Amend: 510 N Rangeline Rd. Office Building] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO WHAT IS NEW BUSINESS ACTUALLY. SO THIS IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ.001, ADLS NORTH RANGE LINE ROAD OFFICE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN TO BUILD A NEW OFFICE BUILDING. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 510 NORTH RIDGELINE ROAD. IT'S FILED BY COLE WALTERS, A STUDIO VIEW ARCHITECTURE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE PETITIONER. AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> HELLO. HI. I AM COLE WALTERS WITH STUDIO VIEW ARCHITECTURE. NICE TO MEET EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR MOVING UP OUR SLOT. SO THIS IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF AN ADLS AMENDMENT FOR THE RANGELINE OFFICE BUILDING. WE'LL START OFF WITH A BRIEF PROJECT OVERVIEW, GO OVER SOME OF THE SITE PLANS. THIS IS A SMALL SITE. I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PRECEDENT STUDIES WE DID AT THE STREET ON RANGELINE AND WE'LL GO OVER THE ELEVATIONS. I CAN SHOW YOU THE FLOOR PLANS IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU. AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT UP. SO THE PROJECT AT A GLANCE, IT IS A NEW TWO-STOREY WOOD FRAME PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET. GROUP B OCCUPANCY. THERE WAS A PARKING AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE WERE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED FOR THE SITE AS PART OF THE 520 NORTH RANGELINE. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE SITE PLAN WE SHOWED NEXT. THAT'S BEHIND OUR SITE. THE LOT IS ABOUT .28 ACRES. SO THIS I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH. RANGELINE IS TO THE RIGHT OF THAT YELLOW BOX. IT SITS IN THE 5B THROUGH RANGELINE THROUGH OLD TOWN. THIS IS KIND OF JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE. IT'S A VACANT LOT. [00:05:02] THE BACK END OF IT TO THE WEST SIDE IS ACTUALLY A PARKING LOT. GOOGLE EARTH HAS NOT UPDATED IT YET BUT AN EXISTING PARKING LOT. YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING THAT'S AROUND IT RIGHT NOW. IT IS A B5 ZONING TO THE WEST OF IT, YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING R2. HERE'S A SITE IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALEXIA TRYING TO POSITION THE BUILDIG ON THE SITE. IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SITE IN A PRETTY LARGE BUILDING. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HER ON POSITIONING OF IT. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LEFT SIDE, IT'S THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT WAS PART OF A DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS BUILT PREVIOUSLY. HERE IS RANGELINE. HERE IS SMALL STREET. MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THIS BUILDING AND THE CLIENTS WILL BE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT SO THAT MAIN ENTRY WILL BE COMING OFF OF THIS LOCATION HERE. SO WE HAVE THAT SIDEWALK. BUT WE ALSO DECIDED TO CONNECT THE SIDEWALK FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE RANGELINE SIDEWALK. WE HAVE ADA RAMP AND YOU CAN SEE THE STAIR UP HERE. WE WILL HAVE A BIKE RACK IN THE MIDDLE, SOME OF HIS CLIENTS LIKE TO RIDE THE BIKES. THAT'S FARTHER WEST. YOU CAN SEE WE ALSO HAVE THAT NICE STAMPED CONCRETE RIGHT OFF OF RANGELINE EVEN THOUGH MOST OF THE CLIENTS AND EMPLOYEES WON'T BE ENTERING OFF IT, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD TOUCH. THERE'S THE SITE PLAN. THE BUILDING WAS SHAPED TO READ AS PART OF THE STREET AND NOT EH PART FROM IT. WE WENT THROUGH FIVE OR SIX ITERATIONS OF THIS JUST FROM WHAT THE OPENER WANTED AND WHAT CARMEL WAS WANTING AND I THINK WE LANDED ON SOMETHING THAT MEETS BOTH NEEDS AND WANTS SO WE WENT DOWN THE STREET AND FOUND DIFFERENT PRECPRECEDENTS. WE TRIED TO PICK DIFFERENT FROMS DENTS AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THESE BUILDINGS AND IMPLEMENT THEM IN OUR DESIGN SO YOU CAN SEE ROOF GABLES, COLOR, THE TYPE OF SIDING. THEY HAVE MAINSTREAMED SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COLUMN WRAPS. WE KIND OF TOOK AND PULLED FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT HOMES AND BUSINESSES TO DESIGN OUR STRUCTURE. HERE YOUR ELEVATIONS. THIS SHOWS YOU MATERIAL. FOR THE MOST PART, THAT UPPER HALF IS JUST WOOD LAP SIDING AND YOU HAVE THAT STRONG MASONRY ON THE LOWER HALF. YOU HAVE THE DARK GREY AND WE'LL GO OVER THE MATERIALS IN A SECOND. HERE ARE YOUR BUILDING ELEVATIONS. HERE ARE THE EXTERIOR SAMPLES. YOU HAVE YOUR WOODSIDING, WOOD LAP SIDING, DARK GREY AND YOU'RE BEIGE BRICK FOR THE LOWER HALF. HERE ARE FLOOR PLANS WE CAN GO OVER. IT'S A BASIC OFFICE BUILDING. YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE OFFICES ON THE FIRST FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM ENTRY LOBBY. THERE IS AN OUTDOOR PATIO FOR HIS STAFF AND CLIENTS AND ON SECOND FLOOR, IT'S SIX OFFICES, A CONFERENCE ROOM. THEY DO HAVE AN OUTDOOR BALCONY. THERE'S TWO MEANS OF EGRESS. IT'S YOUR BASIC OFFICE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW WE DID MAKE THIS LOBBY HERE FOR THE -- THIS IS WHERE MOST PEOPLE WILL BE ENTERING NOT REALLY OFF RANGELINE BUT OFF THAT PARKING LOT. SO THIS IS REALLY YOUR MAIN ENTRY. HERE IS YOUR SITE LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE DO HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TYPE OF SHRUBS AND TREES SO I WILL LEAVE THAT TO HIM. HERE'S THE PLAN WITH IT. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE MEETING ALL THE ORDINANCE REQUIREENTS. THE SITE IS PRETTY FULL OF VEGETATION. HERE'S A BEAUTIFUL RENDERING OF THE ENTRY OFF OF THE PARKING LOT SO THIS IS WHAT MOST OF THE CLIENTS AND PEOPLE WORKING THERE WILL SEE. YOU CAN SEE THE BALCONY THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND THAT FIRST FLOOR OUTDOOR BALCONY AND THAT EXTERIOR STAIR. HERE IS A RENDERING OFF OF RANGELINE AND SMALL STREET. AND THAT IS THE CONCLUSION. THANK YOU. >> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEPARTMENT STAFF FOR THEIR COMMENTS. >> ALEXIA LÓPEZ WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. I THINK THE PETITIONER DID A GOOD JOB GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF THIS. IT IS A PART OF A PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. I THINK THAT WAS APPROVED AS A MATRIARCH BIRTH CENTER. THE PARKING LOT WAS PUT IN AND THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURES ARE THERE TODAY. NO CHANGES TO THAT, TO THE [00:10:02] PARKING OR ANYTHING. ONE THING WE NOTED, THE BUILDING IS SET BACK ONLY ABOUT EIGHT FEET FROM RANGELINE ROAD. AND BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY IT REQUIRES NEW BUILDINGS TO MEET THE AVERAGE OF BUILDINGS ON THAT BLOCK. SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT'S EXISTING OUT THERE AND IT ALLOWS FOR A THREE-FOOT VARIATION. I THINK THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE SET BACK MORE LIKE 19 FEET. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD EITHER NEED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR OR TRY TO SHIFT THE BUILDING BACK. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO COLE MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. THERE IS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON RANGELINE AND SMALL STREET. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DID REQUEST A SIX-FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG SMALL AND AS WELL FIVE FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION TO HELP ACCOMMODATE THE SIDEWALK. THEY ARE SHOWING TWO BIKE RACKS WHICH WOULD PROVIDE FOUR SPACES. HE WENT THROUGH THE MATERIALS IN THE BUILDING. WE DID WORK WITH THEM A LOT AND THANKFULLY FOR THE PETITIONER TO WORK WITH US TO GO BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THERE ARE STRICT ARCHITECTURAL REGULATIONS IN THIS PART OF OLD TOWN. BUT I THINK WE GOT TO A REALLY GOOD SPOT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF THOUGHTFUL ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE MATERIALS AND OTHER DETAILS LIKE THE WINDOW TYPE AND PLACEMENT. WE ADJUSTED THOSE, THE TRIM, THE BRICK DETAILING, FRONT PORCH, COLUMN TREATMENTS, ALL OF THAT. ONE ITEM THAT I NOTED WAS THE HANDRAILS. IT DOES REQUIRE WOOD OR WROUGHT IRON. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN -- >> WE DID FIX THAT. YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ELEVATION, YOU WILL HAVE THE WOOD GUARDRAILS AND THE INFILL WILL BE WROUGHT IRON INFILL, VERTICAL. INSTEAD OF THE HORIZONTAL CABLES WE PREVIOUSLY HAD. >> THE HORIZONTAL CABLES IS MORE OF MODERN FEEL. IN OLD TOWN, IT REQUIRES MORE OF THAT WOOD OR WROUGHT IRON LOOK. THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. THANK YOU. THEY ARE PROPOSING NEW LANDSCAPING ALL AROUND THE SITE. ONE OTHER ITEM, I BELIEVE THERE IS A LARGE SHADE TREE ON THIS PARCEL TODAY. I THINK IT'S A TULIP TREE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ABLE TO BE SAVED WHERE THE LOCATION IS, THE TREE IS COMPARED TO THE BUILDING. I DON'T THINK THE TREE THAT'S SHOWN ON THIS ONE, I DON'T THINK, IS THERE ANYMORE. I THINK THE EXISTING TREE IS -- UNLESS YOU SURVEYED IT RECENTLY. I THINK IT'S MORE -- >> THIS TOP TREE. >> YES. >> I BELIEVE IT IS THERE. >> IS THAT WHERE THAT WOOD IS AT? >> I BELIEVE. I CAN DOUBLE-CHECK. >> OKAY. BECAUSE I SAW THERE WAS A PREVIOUS TREE, I THINK, THAT I WAS REMOVED AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS MAYBE IT. IF THAT'S THE EXISTING LOCATION OF THE TULIP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO BE SAVED. >> THIS IS THE UPDATED PLAN FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS AND WE DID MOVE THE PLAN SOUTH THREE FEET TO GET AWAY FROM THAT TREE TO KEEP IT. WE CAN GET AWAY FROM IT. >> OKAY. THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS TRYING TO SAVE THAT EXISTING TREE IF WE CAN. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN THEY'RE SHOWING LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCE AND I THINK OVER THE STAIRWAY THERE, OFF TO THE BALCONY, BUT THE LIGHTING LEVELS ON THE PLAN, I THINK, EXCEEDED OUR -- THE REQUIREMENT A LITTLE BIT AND THEY NEED TO BE .3 FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY'RE ON TWO PUBLIC STREETS. THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TWO IDENTIFICATION SIGNS. BUT WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING BEFORE WAS MORE OF A TWO POSTS AND THE SIGN IN BETWEEN WHICH YOU SEE A LOT ON RANGELINE BUT IS NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE. SO A SUSPENDED SIGN IS WHAT WE PREFER TO SEE HERE ALONG RANGELINE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT CAN GET UPDATED. SO IT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OUT [00:15:05] OF CHARACTER. YES, THE VARIANCE WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT WOULD BE GOING TO THE BZA FOR THE VARIANCE. >> WE COULD APPROVE A CONTINGENT UPON THAT. >> HAVE YOU STARTED LOOKING AT THAT FRONT SETBACK AT ALL? >> YES. WE'RE PREPARED TO GO TO DO THE VARIANCE. THIS PLAN IS ACTUALLY UPDATED WITH IT MOVED BACK. WE HAVE MOVED IT AS FAR BACK AS WE CAN WITH THAT STAIR. IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO MOVE IT ANYMORE, IT WOULD CAUSE MAJOR REDESIGN AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THE VARIANCE APPROVED. WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE THE CHANGES IF REQUIRED. >> YOU SHOW THE COLOR RENDERINGS AND THE ONES THAT DEPICT A SIDEWALK ON SMALL STREET. MAYBE NOT THAT ONE. SORRY. >> THE RENDERINGS ARE NOT QUITE LIKE A SITE PLAN. >> THEY LOOK AMAZING. I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING HERE COMPARED TO WHAT I'M TRYING TO INTERPRET ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'RE SHOWING A MOMENT AGO WITH REGARDS TO THE SIDEWALK TREATMENT. I COULDN'T QUITE TELL FROM THE OTHER -- THE SITE PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO THERE IS GRASS SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK. I WAS JUST TRYING TO AFFIRM THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING. >> I CAN GO TO THE SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE RENDERING DOES NOT ACCURATELY DEPICT HOW MUCH SPATIAL -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT VERY WELL. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF GAP THAN WHAT YOU SAW IN THAT RENDERING. I APOLOGIZE. >> IS THE SIDEWALK UP AGAINST A CURB OR SEPARATED BY A GRASS STRIP? WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MORE. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN TO, ME IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIDEWALK MIGHT BE UP AGAINST A CURB. I'M TRYING TO AGAIN INTERPRET AND UNDERSTAND -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE RETAINING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK, ENGINEERING ASKED FOR WIDENING, WHETHER YOU'RE REPLACING IT. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. >> I DON'T SEE ANY GRASS BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET. >> CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. RIGHT NOW THE SIDEWALK IS UP AGAINST THE CURB ALONG THE SMALL. WE WILL PROPOSE EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK JUST THAT EXTRA SIX-FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK BUT KEEP IT AGAINST THE CURB WHERE IT IS TODAY. RIGHT NOW, WE CAN -- THAT WOULD LINE IT UP WITH THE DRIVE ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TOO. I DO WHEN YOU GET TO THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, IT DROPS DOWN TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK? >> YES. >> GOT YOU. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> DO YOU AGREE TO SET THE LIGHTING -- THE FOOT CANDLES FOR THE LOWER LEVEL? DID WE GET CONFIRMATION BACK ON THAT? >> WE SENT A PHOTO METRIC PLAN LATE THIS EVENING AROUND -- I GOT IT AT 3:30. I UPLOADED IT AT 4. I FIGURED YOU GUYS HADN'T REVIEWED IT YET. WE HAVE -- WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON IT YET. >> OKAY. >> IN THAT PHOTO METRIC PLAN, WE DID INCLUDE THE EXISTING SITE LIGHTING SO YOU GET THE FULL -- >> COMPARISON. YOU AGREED THE SUSPENDED SIGN INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU INITIALLY PROPOSED? >> YEAH. WE REMOVED THE SIGNAGE FROM THIS SUBMISSION. IF THE OWNER DOES WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH, I THINK THE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE. I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE A MASONRY SIGN FOR THIS BUILDING AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT ANOTHER PROCESS, BUT WE'VE ELIMINATED ALL SIGNAGE BEFORE THIS. >> THERE IS NO SIGN? >> THERE IS NO -- >> YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING UP IF YOU WERE TO BUILD TOMORROW. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT'S FORMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THE VARIANCE. IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT. WE LOVED THE BIRTHING CENTER WAS ALSO REALLY PRETTY AND THAT COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW CHALLENGING THAT IS TO GET THAT SORT OF PROJECT OFF THE REGULATORY LICENSURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> I MOVE ADOPTION OF ITEM [00:20:05] 202600165 SUBJECT TO MEETING THE OUTSTANDING CONDITIONS AND GETTING THE VARIANCE. AND THE VARIANCE. SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS DOCKET SUBJECT TO FINALIZING ALL OUTSTANDING PROJECT DOCS COMMENTS AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL HAVE TO GET THE VARIANCE FROM THE BCA, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE? >> CONGRATULATIONS. YOU'RE APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [H.1. Public Hearing for HEA 1001] >> THANK YOU. UP NEXT, NOW, WE'RE GOING TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED BY HE1001 AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S REQUIRED, IT IS GREAT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON IS ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING, IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE HOUSING THAT WE WERE DESIGNING AND DEVELOPING AND HEARING FROM WHAT YOU ALL WANT AND WHAT YOU NEED IS A FANTASTIC CONVERSATION. SO HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK IS SERGEI OUR LEGAL COUNSEL WILL GO THROUGH THE BILL AND THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS WHAT WAS REQUIRED. THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE HOPING TO COVER AND THEN ADRIAN WILL GIVE SOME MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON HOUSING IN CARMEL, INCLUDING BY OUR HOUSING COMMISSION AND WE'VE GOT -- I SEE WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF OUR HOUSING COMMISSION RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE BARB EDEN, SARAH SPENCER AND CITY COUNCILOR SHANNON MENARD AND I'M PRIVILEGED TO SERVE ON THE HOUSING COMMISSION WITH YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SO THEN, AFTER ADRIAN, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR ALL OF YOU. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HOUSING AND BUT ALSO TO SERGEI'S GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IN HE1001, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS RELATE TO ANY OF THOSE, LOVE TO HEAR THOSE SPECIFIC COMMENTS AS WELL. WHEN YOU ALL ARE TONNE, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANY COMMENTS FROM UP HERE ON THE DIAS AS WELL. SERGEI, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO YOU TO KICK IT OFF. >> GOOD EVENING. AS MADAM CHAIR INDICATED, I WILL GIVE I WILL GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW, WHY ARE WE HERE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND I WILL TURN IT TO ADRIAN WHO WILL GO FACTOR BY FACTOR IN HOW IT'S APPLICABLE TO OUR UDO. SO HB1001 WAS INTRODUCED EARLIER IN THE SESSION AND IT WAS A MARQUEE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT CAME OUT OF A LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. IT WENTZ THROUGH QUITE A FEW ITERATIONS. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES OF THAT STATUTE AND WHEN THAT FIRST CAME OUT, IT GENERATED QUITE A BIT OF BUZZ, TRANSITION THROUGHOUT THE SESSION, TO THE VERSION THAT WE HAVE TODAY WHICH IS REALLY CONCENTRATES MORE ON REPORTING AND COLLECTING INFORMATION WHEN EARLIER IN THIS STATUTE'S LIFE IT CONCENTRATED ON A DIRECTIVES TO MUNICIPALITIES. SO AS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF HEA1001, IT REQUIRED ALL MUNICIPALITIES TO EVALUATE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS WITH A VERY CONCRETE PURPOSE IN MIND, WHICH IS ALSO OUTLINED IN THE STATUTE, WHICH IS TO INCREASE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN YOUR MUNICIPALITY. THAT ENTIRE -- THIS TOPIC OF CONVERSATION SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS THAT THE PURPOSE OUTLINED BY OUR LEGISLATURE IS INCREASING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL. EVEN THOUGH THAT STATUTE WAS GENERATED A LOT OF BUZZ, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY NEW. IT FITS INTO THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION WITH HOUSING QUITE WELL. ON A FEDERAL LEVEL, THAT DISCUSSION REALLY BEGAN TO MOVE FORWARD AND WITH A LOT MORE STEAM LAST YEAR AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE PASSING OF THE 21ST CENTURY ROAD TO HOUSING ACT. WHICH IS A RARE PIECE OF BIPARTISAN LEGISLATURE WHICH ADDRESSED SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH INSTITUTIONAL OWNERSHIP ON A NATIONAL LEVEL AS WELL AS SOME FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AND STREAMLINING OF SOME OF THE PROCESSES AS WELL. ON THE STATE LEVEL, IT'S BEEN ONE OF ABSOLUTE PRIORITIES FOR GOVERNOR BRAUN. IT FITS INTO THE TAX REFORM INITIATIVES THAT'S BEEN A CORE OF GOVERNOR BRAUN'S LEGISLATION AND ALSO THIS HOUSING ACT, HEA1001 ALSO FITS INTO THAT. [00:25:05] >> MAYOR FINKAM STARTED THE PROCESS IN 2024 THAT ISSUE WAS WELL RECOGNIZED IN CARMEL HOUSING IS AN ISSUE. WE'RE BECOMING AN INCREASINGLY DENSE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO WE CAN NO LONGER ACQUIRE ANY LAND AROUND US AS WE'RE SURROUNDED BY SECOND CLASS CITIES AND A METROPOLITAN CITY. SO MAYOR FINKAM INTRODUCED A HOUSING ADVISORY COMMISSION AND THAT WORK HAS CONTINUED TODAY. I BELIEVE THE REPORT WILL BE PRESENTED SOME TIME LATER IN THE YEAR AND I KNOW I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THAT FRONT AND I'M SURE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE INTEGRAL TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE DIRECTIVE THAT THE STATE HAS GIVEN US THROUGH 1001. ALSO COMMUNITIES AROUND US HAVE WORKED HARD ON THAT ISSUE AS WELL. ESPECIALLY IN THE ANNAPOLIS WITH THE METROPOLITAN COMMISSION CONDUCTING A CENTRAL INDIANA HOUSING STUDY AND ALSO A FULL STUDY OF MAXIMIZING VALUE OF LAND STUDIES. SO OVERALL AGAIN, THIS ACT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GENERATED A LOT OF BUZZ, NOTHING NEW. IT'S BEEN A CONTINUOUS POINT OF DISCUSSION ON ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT AND NOW LOCAL GOVERNMENT. BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS COMMISSION, HOUSING ACT 1001 REQUIRES SEVERAL THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IT REQUIRES TO PRODUCE A REPORT OF HOW OUR UDO HAS CHANGED AND WHAT MUNICIPALITY HAS DONE TO ADVANCE THE GOAL OF IMPROVED AND INCREASED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THAT REPORT IS DUE ON JANUARY 1ST AND IT WILL INCLUDE THE FEEDBACK AND FROM STAFF, THIS COMMISSION, HOUSING COMMISSION BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS, ET CETERA, AND THE INPUTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. AND WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE ANY AMENDMENTS DOWN TO A UDO. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL GET ANY DONE THIS YEAR BUT IT WILL BE A CONTINUOUS PROCESS AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. UDO IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. YOU'VE SEEN THE AMENDMENTS TO IT. MULTIPLE TIMES IN YOUR TENURE ALREADY. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS THE FEE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN MODIFIED IN 1001 AS WELL. WE HAVE UPDATED OUR UDO TO THAT REGARD. AND ALSO WE CREATED ON THE COUNCIL LEVEL TWO FUNDS NONREVERTING FUNDS WHERE DOCS AND ENGINEERING FEES WILL GO. THAT'S A PART OF THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT ACT AS WELL. THEY WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO SPENT ON PROCESSING COSTS AND OF WHAT STAFF SPENDS IN REVIEWING THOSE PLANS AND APPROVING THOSE PERMITS. >> THEN FINALLY, THIS IS WHY REALLY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS WE ARE REQUIRED TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING EVALUATING NINE FACTORS. AND THAT'S WHAT MADAM CHAIR INDICATED. IT IS GREAT TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING IN GENERAL. THE LEGISLATURE REALLY WANTS THE MUNICIPALITIES TO CONCENTRATE ON THOSE FINE FACTORS, AND THEY ARE, NUMBER ONE, I'M GOING READ THEM AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENTARY AND THEN ADRIAN WILL GO MUCH CLOSER INTO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM AND HOW THEY RELATE TO OUR UDO, WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM, WHAT PROVISIONS CAN BE MODIFIED ET CETERA. BUT NUMBER ONE IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE IS PROVIDING THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT DUPLEX, TRIP PLEXES AND FOURPLEXES SKIING ANYWAYED IN THE AREAS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THIS ONE IS OBVIOUSLY A PRETTY BIG FACTOR TO CONSIDER. WE DO ALLOW DUPLEXES IN CERTAIN AREAS OF A CITY AS WELL AND WE'LL DISCUSS THE OTHER ONES AS WELL. NUMBER TWO IS CONSTRUCTING OTHER HOUSING TYPES INCLUDING ACTION ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, MANUFACTURED HOUSING AND MODULAR HOUSING. ADU IS NOT A NEW TERM. IT EXISTS. IT CAN BE OBTAINED IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS IN THE CITY AND ADRIAN ALSO WILL COVER THAT PORTION AS WELL. NUMBER THREE IS, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, SUCH AS ALLOWING MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND RETAIL OFFICE AND LIGHT MANUFACTURING ZONES. [00:30:02] AS WELL THIS AS WELL IS NOT NEW TO CARMEL. DIFFERENT TYPES EVER USES BEING INTO ONE, DUDS IS BREAD AND BUTTER AND CARMEL AS WELL. LOTS OF DIFFERENT USE IS BEING INTEGRATED TO GIVE OUR COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL INSTITUTIONAL AND PUBLIC USES AS WELL. SO BIGGEST EXAMPLE IS PROBABLY THE VILLAGE HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES ALL TOGETHER AND UNDER ONE UMBRELLA. NUMBER 4 IS INCREASING ALLOWABLE FLOW AREA RATIOS WITHIN MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. NUMBER 5 IS WAIVING OR ELIMINATING REGULATIONS SUCH AS REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGE SIZE AND PLACEMENTS, STEEP ROOF PITCH, MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND SQUARE FOOTAGE, GREATER SETBACKS, OFF-STREET PARKING, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF CODE COMPLIANT PRODUCTS. IT'S BASICALLY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE UDO. IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST SEEKED VARIANCES IN FRONT OF BSA AS WELL. CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A ROOF PITCH IS THERE AS WELL. SO A LOT OF PROVISIONS IN UDO REGARDING THOSE SUBFACTORS. NUMBER 6, 7 AND 8 AND 9, THE CONVERSATION HERE IS EITHER NOT REALLY APPLICABLE OR WILL BE FAIRLY LIMITED. NUMBER 6 IS REVIEWING IMPACT FEE ZONES IN COORDINATION WITH APPLICABLE ZONE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THAT IS DRIVEN BY A PARK BOARD SO WE HAVE A PARK FEE IMPACT ZONES, SO THEY WERE ONCE IN CHARGE OF THOSE PROCESSES BUT DOCS IS INVOLVED WITH PARKS BOARD AND ASSISTS AND WORKS WITH THEM EVERY TIME. WE'RE NOT AMEND IT EVERY YEAR. THE LAST TIME WE WERE AMENDED WAS JUST ACTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO. NUMBER 7 IS STREAMLINING OR SHORTENING THE PROCESS AND TIMELINES INCLUDING ONE STOP AND PARALLEL PROCESS PERMITTING BY FIFTEEN DAYS OR MORE. AGAIN, ADRIAN WILL COVER OUR COMBINED COMMITTEE STRUCTURE WHICH WE ALREADY ARE DOING IT. WE'RE COMBINING PLAN COMMISSION AND BCA PROCESS INTO ONE WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT. WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. YOU'LL FIND THAT IN THE PROCESSES SECTION. NUMBER 8 IS USING PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS TO ENGAGE HIGH DENSITY AND MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES. THIS IS -- ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES ADDRESSED VERY PERIPHERALLY BY THIS COMMISSION, THIS IS REALLY THE FUNCTION OF OUR COUNCIL. THEY GRANT ABATEMENTS, SO THIS ONE WILL BE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WHENEVER THEY COME. AND NUMBER 9 IS DONATING VACANT LAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. SAME THING. IT'S THE LAND IS REGULATED MOSTLY BY COUNCIL. I'M SURE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY IDEAS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. RALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION CANNOT DONATE OR GIVE LAND AWAY. SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT FUNCTION OR AUTHORITY. SO IN SOME, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON TODAY, THOSE NINE FACTORS AND AGAIN THE CONVERSATION IS OPEN TO OTHERS, OF COURSE, IT TOUCHES ON MANY DIFFERENT HOUSING ASPECTS. SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE BROAD. SO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK AND COMMENT AND PROVIDE US FEEDBACK AND INPUT. AS FAR AS THE RESULT OF THIS -- OF THIS MEETING, OF THE HEARING ITSELF, IS WHAT WE'RE HEAR FOR. WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO THE INPUT FROM A COMMISSION, FROM RESIDENTS, FROM BUSINESSES, ET CETERA, AND THEN TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND PRESENTING A POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS DOWN THE ROAD. SO THERE IS NO ACTION FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION TONIGHT EXCEPT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION ITSELF. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT TO ADRIAN WHO WILL GO AND ADDRESS EACH FACTOR AND WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIND IT IN OUR ZONING. >> THANK YOU, SERGEI. ADRIAN? >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AID KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. SERGEI PRETTY MUCH COVERED THE NINE TOPICS TO BE DISCUSSED. I'M GOING TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT ALL OF THE WORK AND DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE GONE SURROUNDING THE TOPIC OF HOUSING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. TO START WITH THE NINE POINTS, THERE WAS A DOCUMENT CALLED A [00:35:01] WORKING DOCUMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS DOCUMENT AROUND AS A WORKING DOCUMENT AND WE "D" AS OUR REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, UPON THE END OF THE YEAR, WE EXPECT TO KEEP BUILDING UPON THIS DOCUMENT SO WE STARTED THIS AS A FRAMEWORK STRUCTURE FOR EACH OF THE NINE POINTS TO SHOWY UDO SECTIONS COULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED OR LOOKED AT AND RIGHT NOW IT ALSO OUTLINES THE FEW THINGS THAT CARMEL DOES WELL IN TERMS OF THESE NINE POINTS. SO WE WILL KEEP THIS DOCUMENT ALIVE AND IT IS AGAIN IN YOUR PACKET AND IT IS ON LASER FISH IN A PUBLIC FOLDER THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE WHERE WE'LL KEEP ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE, JUST LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER DOCKET NUMBER. THIS ITEM JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN TO HAVE A FORMAL DOCKET NUMBER BUT ALL OF THE CORRESPONDENCE AND INFORMATION REGARDING THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND TOPIC WILL STAY IN THAT LASER FICHE. PROVIDING FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT OF DUPLEXES, TRY PLEXES AND AREAS DESIGNATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT SECTION OF THE UDO AS WELL AS THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF WHERE PERMITTED DETERMINING WHERE PERMITTED USES WHICH PERMITTED USES ARE LOCATED WHERE AND THEN, OF COURSE, SIMILARLY IN ARTICLE THREE IS THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS. THE OVERLAY ALREADY HAVE SOME USE -- PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND HAVE SOME INTERESTING USE BASED INFORMED BASED INFORMATION IN THEM. SO THOSE COULD BE SOMETHING TO REVIEW. AND THEN, OF COURSE, OUR DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY THE DEFINITION SECTION IS THE INTIRT OF ARTICLE 11 FROM A TO Z. WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, ATTACHED DWELLINGS, ACCESSORY FAMILIES, TWO-FAMILY DWELLINGS, BUT CURRENTLY WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE A TYPE OF USE FOR TRI PLEXES OR FOURPLEXES. CURRENTLY THOSE POTENTIALLY SMALLER SCALE UNITS ARE JUST LUMPED IN WITH ANY KIND OF MULTI-FAMILY. SO REGARDLESS OF THE BUILDING SCALE OR SIZE. WHAT WE DO WELL IN THIS CATEGORY 89% OF CARMEL'S ZONED LAND DOES ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. PRIMARILY THAT IS ONLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, BUT 89% OF OUR LAND DOES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. WE'VE GOT SOME BUSINESS DISTRICTS AND CORRIDOR DISTRICTS THAT DO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THEM. INCLUDING MANUFACTURED HOUSING. THESE ARE GOING TO BE AS I MENTIONED, THE ZONING DISTRICTS PERMITTED USES AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICT PERMITTED USES AND THEN THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLINGS. OTHER THAN WHAT IS OUTLINED FOR ACCESSORY BUILDING WHETHER IT'S A GARAGE OR OTHER KIND OF OUTBUILDING. ARTICLE 9 IS OUR PROCESSES. THAT'S SOMETHING TO REVIEW AS WELL AGAIN AS DEFINITIONS. NOTING WHAT CARMEL DOES ALREADY, THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY, C1 AND C2 DISTRICTS DO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLINGS AS PERMITTED USES. ALSO WHILE NOT A PRIMARY DISTRICT, THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY PUD DOES ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AS WELL. [00:40:05] MANUFACTURED MODULAR HOMES ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES IN PARTICULAR ARE HEAVILY REGULATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, HUD. I BELIEVE THERE'S A LARGER CONVERSATION GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL REGARDING THOSE. AND THEN MODULAR HOMES GENERALLY ARE TREATED AS SINGLE-FAMILY STRUCTURES. I THINK THERE'S SOME -- MAYBE SOME INSPECTION AND POLICY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WITH THOSE THAT PRIMARILY THEY'RE JUST TREATED AS SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. ADAPTIVE REUSE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, AGAIN, ARTICLE 2 ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS COULD BE REVIEWED. MANY OF OUR BUSINESS DISTRICTS DO ALREADY ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. HOWEVER, THE B1, B2, B8 AND MC DISTRICTS DO NOT PRIMARILY ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. BY RIGHT. THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THE MC DISTRICT. I MENTIONED WHAT WE DO WELL. ADAPTIVE REUSE OF STRUCTURES THEMSELVES, I THINK THAT'S MORE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. AS WE WERE LOOKING TO THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR SUBAREA PLAN, WE TALKED WITH SOME FOLKS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONVERTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS INTO RESIDENTIAL AND THOSE -- THAT CAN BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE GIVEN THE FLOOR PLATES AND THINGS SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IN MOST PLACES BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE FURTHER. INCREASING ALLOWABLE FLOOR RATIOS, ARTICLE 2, AND ANOTHER REVIEW FOR ARTICLE 2. THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CURRENTLY MULTI-FAMILY IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE R4, R5 AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SO LOOKING AT THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN INCREASE TO MAKE THAT EASIER IN THOSE DISTRICTS IS A POSSIBILITY. WHAT WE DO WELL CURRENTLY WE DON'T GENERALLY USE FAR, THAT FLOOR AREA RATIO STANDARDS IN THE UDO, BUT MULTI-FAMILY IS PERMITTED IN SOME COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY ALLOWS SOME TALLER BUILDINGS AND SMALLER SETBACKS. THAT MIGHT EQUAL THE SAME THING AS INCREASING THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS ADDING UP ALL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL OF THE FLOORS OF THE BUILDING AND COMPARING THAT TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PARCEL ITSELF. IF YOU'RE ALLOWED A HIGHER RATIO, THEN TYPICALLY THAT MEANS YOUR BUILDING CAN BE TALLER AND THE AREA IS BIGGER BY SMALLER STEPBACKS. WAIVING OR ELIMINATING REGULATIONS SUCH AS REQUIREMENTS FOR -- HERE'S THE WHOLE LIST. I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK THROUGH THESE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF ARTICLE 5 IS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND A LOT OF THE SETBACKS AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS OR IN ARTICLE 2 SO THAT WILL BE PRETTY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE -- THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE LIST. BUT NOTING ROOF PITCHES AND WE DO HAVE -- PUDS HAVE HAD NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING ROOF PITCHES DEPENDING ON THE CHARACTER THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR -- BUT OUTSIDE OF THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH SOME STANDARDS OF OLDER HOUSING IN THE AREA, THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC ROOF PITCH STANDARDS IN THE UDO. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND TO THINK ABOUT POTENTIALLY AS NEW PUDS COME IN. MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE. AGAIN, ZONING DISTRICTS AND DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THIS WOULD APPLY TO TAKE A LOOK ALL DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL. [00:45:02] SOMETHING PARTICULAR TO OUR ORDINANCE IN ARTICLE 5 IS A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FOR GENERAL OR RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS. THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 23-FOOT WIDTH FOR FAMILIES IN DUPLEX UNITS. THAT'S AN AREA FOR POTENTIAL REVIEW. SETBACKS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT. GENERALLY AGAIN, ALL DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL. WHAT CARMEL DOES WELL IN THIS RESPECT IS THAT THE SOMETHING UNIQUE IS THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT USES THE CONTEXT OF THE EXISTING BLOCK FOR STEPBACK STANDARDS. THAT'S MORE OF A CHARACTER AND FORM SETBACK THAT COULD BE REVIEWED IN OTHER DISTRICTS. OFFSTREET PARKING, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL SECTIONS OF PARKING STANDARDS IN ARTICLE 5. WHAT WE DO WELL IS -- SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS, YOU SEE YOU ARE -- URBAN RESIDENTIAL, URBAN CORE AND MERIDIAN CORRIDOR, MC. THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE SIMPLIFIED AND DO ALLOW FOR ON-STREET PARKING SPACES TO COUNT ONE TO ONE FOR REQUIRED OFF-STREET SPACES. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT. THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT CHARACTERS IN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY BUT GENERALLY IT ALLOWS PARKING SPACES TO BE REDUCED BY 50% TO ACCOMMODATE DIFFICULT SITE CONDITIONS. OR ALONG THE MAIN STREET SUBAREA OF THE DISTRICT A LOT SMALLER THAN 3,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND THEY DO -- IT DOES ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT PEAK HOUR REQUIREMENTS. ALSO THE RANGELINE OVERLAY DISTRICT EXCLUDES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SECOND AND HIGHER FLOORS FROM AUTO PARKING CALCULATIONS THAT'S SOMETHING -- THOSE ARE AREAS WHERE WE ALREADY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS. DESIGN STANDARDS THAT RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OF CODE COMPLIANT BUILDING PRODUCTS, AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY, THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT AGAIN, MANY PUDS, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE NEGOTIATED THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN PROPERTY HEIGHT LIMITATIONS AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ARTICLE 2 OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT CARMEL DOES WELL IS THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT USES THE CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK AND NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES FOR HEIGHT STANDARDS. >> SERGEI ALREADY COVERED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SIX THROUGH NINE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING RECREATION IMPACT FEE SHORTENING OR STREAMLINING THE PROCESS. THAT IS ALL OUTLINED IN ARTICLE 9 OF THE UDO. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG IT'S BEEN BUT THE COMBINED THERE IS A COMBINED HEARING PROCESS MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S BEEN KIND OF A TIME WARP. BUT THAT ALLOWS, AS SERGEI MENTIONED, IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT REQUIRES BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVALS, THERE IS A PROCESS THAT ALLOWS FOR THOSE APPROVALS TO BE COMBINED INTO ONE PROCESS AND ONE MEETING TRACK WITH THE PERMISSION OR NOTIFICATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO THAT. SO THAT ALLOWS FOR SOME SAVED TIME FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND THOSE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. THERE ARE CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE A HEARING OFFICER IS TAKEN -- IS USED PARTICULARLY FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS PROCESS FOR SERB CERTAIN TYPES OF FILINGS THAT HAS SHORTENED FILING DEADLINES AND PROCESS LEAD TIMES. AND THEN THE BUILDING DIVISION IN THE PAST HAS USED MASTER PERMITS SO IN THE CASE OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT HAVE A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN OR SO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS, THEY'VE USED THE MASTER PERMIT PROCESS TO HELP STREAMLINE THOSE [00:50:01] MULTIPLE SIMILAR STRUCTURES THROUGH APPROVAL. THE LAST TWO, AS WE MENTIONED, PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS AND VACANT LAND, DONATION OF VACANT LAND, OR LARGER POLICY ISSUES OUTSIDE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. YOU MIGHT BE ASKING -- I DON'T THINK THE PLAN COMMISSION IS ASKING. BUT FOLKS MIGHT BE ASKING WHERE TO FIND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. MAYBE. OR EVERYONE HAS IT MEMORIZED. LIKE ME. NOT REALLY. YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, CARMEL.IN.GOV. AND IF YOU GO TO -- THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET TO IT. IF YOU GO TO DEPARTMENTS AND SERVICES, WE ARE THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES SO HOVER OVER DEPARTMENT AND SERVICES. YOU CAN GO TO OUR PAGE. THERE'S MIKE. AND YOU CAN GET TO IT A COUPLE OF WAYS. THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE, IF YOU GO TO INTERACTIVE ZONING AND MAP TOOLS, YOU CAN GO TO CLICK ON THIS UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. THIS TAKES YOU TO AN ELECTRONIC VERSION WHERE YOU CAN SEARCH AND CLICK THROUGH ALL OF THE VARIOUS SECTIONS. ARTICLE 2 IS BASED ON THE NINE CONSIDERATIONS. IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY POPULAR REVIEW TOPIC AS WELL AS THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THERE'S ALSO A PDF OF THIS FOR FOLKS THAT ARE USED TO LOOKING AT IT IN THIS FORMAT. EITHER WAY. THE INFORMATION IS THE SAME. >> WHILE YOU'RE THERE, CAN YOU SHOW EVERYONE THE INTERACTIVE ZONING MAP. THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SAYING S1, R2, R5, WE HAVE A MAP OF THE CITY THAT SHOWS WHAT ZONING IS IN EACH LOCATION, SO IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE THESE UDO ORDINANCES APPLY, JUST SHOW THEM WHERE THEY CAN FIND THAT REAL QUICK TOO. >> SO WE'RE BACK ON THE INTERACTIVE MAP. THIS WAS THE TEXT TAB ACROSS THE T TOP. YOU CAN GO TO THE MAP TAB. THE ZONING MAP WILL POP UP AND YOU CAN ZOOM IN. YOU CAN SEARCH BY ADDRESS. IF YOU GO TO LAYERS AND FILTERS, YOU CAN TURN ON AND OFF VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICT LAYERS, SO BUT THIS ALLOWS YOU TO SEE WHERE ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS ARE LOCATED THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. HE SOMETIMES FORGET ABOUT THE STUFF THAT IS JUST IN FRONT OF ME EVERY DAY. >> THIS CHECK TAB, WHILE WE'RE IN HERE, IF YOU WANT TO DIG INTO AN ADDRESS, THIS WILL POP UP -- THIS WILL POP UP INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT CAN BE -- WHAT IS ALLOWED ON THE PARCEL AND SETBACKS AND THAT KIND OF THING. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. I ALSO WANT TO COVER BRIEFLY THIS TOPIC OF HOUSING AS SERGEI MENTIONED, A LOT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THE REALM OF HOUSING. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE AT THIS POINT IN OUR REQUIREMENTS BY HOUSE ACT 1001, THE DISCUSSION HAS -- I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE WORKING DOCUMENT. THE WORKING HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A BIT OF A HEAD START ON CREATING SOME SOLUTIONS. SERGEI MENTIONED A LOT OF THESE THINGS, THE TWO BLUE BUBBLES, THERE'S THE MAYOR'S HOUSING TASK FORCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2004. THE MAYORS THAT FOLLOWED INTO THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING FROM 2005 TO PRESENT, SOME REGIONAL STUDIES IN THE PURPLE BOXES, BETWEEN THE CENTRAL INDIANA HOUSING STUDY AND THEIR FOLLOW-UP MAXIMIZING THE VALUE OF LAND STUDY THAT WAS JUST RELEASED AND THEN THE RED [00:55:05] BUBBLES ARE THE LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS THAT HAVE COME UPON US. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MANY MORE THINGS FROM MY BOARD RELEASED A HOUSING -- THEIR LATEST VERSION OF THE HOUSING -- THEIR HOUSING PREFERENCE SURVEY SO HOUSING IS THE TOP OF MIND OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT LEVELS. SO IT'S COMPLICATED. I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. THE HOUSING TASK FORCE THROUGHOUT 2004. GATHERED INFORMATION AND THEN IT WAS WORKING RECOMMENDATIONS ARE INCREASE IN SHIFTING DEMAND, DENSITY AND GROWTH AND AFFORDABILITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF OTHERS. THE REPORT THAT THE HOUSING -- THE HOUSING TASK FORCE DEVELOPED WERE CREATED -- WERE SURROUNDING THESE CHALLENGES AND THEY -- IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, RELEASED A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE ARE 13 OF THEM. I WON'T READ THEM ALL BUT THE CHECK MARKS AND LITTLE WIDGETS HERE DESCRIBING THESE ARE IN SOME KIND OF PROCESS RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS CONTINUE THE HOUSING TASK FORCE EFFORT. WE DID THAT. WE NOW HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING. NUMBER 5 WAS FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING EARLIER THIS YEAR WE STARTED WORKING ON A MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING STUDY. SO THAT'S IN THE PROCESS WE HAD MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING. ASSESSING CURRENT ZONING REGUL REGULATIONS WHICH HAS BEEN CONCLUDED ON A LARGER BASIS THAT ALSO THROUGH THE OPTICOS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING STUDY HAS SOME ASSESSMENT THROUGH THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING LENS. CREATING AND PUBLISHING A SERIES OF MAPS AND DATA TO COMMUNICATE AND QUANTIFY EXISTING INVENTORY AND DESIRED OUTCOMES RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 10 IS WELL UNDERWAY AND IN PROCESS. PRIORITIZING THE INFILL CONVERSION FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND PARKING AREAS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT, OF COURSE, THROUGH THE U.S. 31 SUBAREA PLAN AND THEN AS WE TAKE A LOOK AS WE LOOK TOWARDS THE CNO SITE. SO THEN ALWAYS, WE'RE ACTIVELY SEEKING NEW COLLABORATIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES LOCALLY, REGIONALLY AND STATEWIDE. THAT'S NOT JUST WITH HOUSING. THAT'S AN ALWAYS CATEGOR. >> I THINK IT WAS ONE MORE IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. >> YES. >> THE ACQUISITION OF GREEN SPACE ACTUALLY HOW CITY COUNCIL JUST AUTHORIZED ACQUISITION OF MULTIPLE ACRES OF LAND NEXT TO MEADOW LARK PARK WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING SITE. THAT ONE IS GREEN MARK. >> WE CAN -- >> PROGRESS. >> WE CAN PUT THAT AS IN PROGRESS. SO THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THE REALM OF HOUSING IS, I GUESS, THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING ALL FOCUSED A LITTLE BIT ON RECOMMENDATION 8, ASSESSING CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS, AND THE SERIES OF MAPS. THOSE CONCLUSIONS, AND THERE ARE MAPS AND DATA AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS BEHIND THIS INFORMATION THAT IS LINKED IN THE LASER FICHE FOLDER BUT OF OUR ZONED LAND, AS I MENTIONED, 89% OF OUR LAND DOES ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. 76.8% OF OUR LAND IS ONLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY. 12% IS ALLOWS FOR NONSINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. AND ALMOST 11% DOES NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL AT ALL. REGARDING THE HOUSING INVENTORY, THE INVENTORY IS ALMOST 70% OF OUR HOUSING IS DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY. ANOTHER LAYER OF THAT, CARMEL [01:01:02] HOUSEHOLDS, 31% HAVE SOMEONE UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE. YEARS OF AGE AND 19% OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS LIVE ALONE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE EXISTING INVENTORY, THE POTENTIAL DEMAND ARE NO LONGER MATCHING UP. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE HOUSING -- THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING IS WORKING TO DISCUSS AS WELL AS MANY OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, HOUSE BILL AND THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION KIND OF SURROUNDS ALL OF THIS. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE DIFFERENT AGES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, PEOPLE NEED DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THEIR LIFE. SO IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD MORE TYPES OF HOUSING, THEN THAT -- THAT MIGHT CREATE SOME MOVEMENT IN THE MARKET. THAT CAN MOVE THE MARKET AND FOLKS THAT LIVE IN SMALLER HOUSES CAN MOVE UP TO THOSE HOUSES. AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. ARE THE COMMISION IS -- WE'RE FINALIZING THE DESIGN MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING STUDY AND THAT CONSISTS OF A MISSING LITTLE HOUSING SCAN OR ZONING ANALYSIS AGAIN THROUGH THE LENS OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND SOME TEST SITES THAT HELP DETERMINE SOME OF THOSE PHYSICAL DESIGN AND FINANCIAL SCENARIOS WHEN IT COMES TO MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, SO THAT DISCUSSION IS STILL ONGOING. THERE ARE MULTIPLE UNITS THAT ARE IN SCALE TO SINGLE DETACHED HOMES RATHER THAN A PERMIT BUILDING. SO CREATING AND LOOKING AT THOSE, WHAT'S BETWEEN. WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY AND THE LARGE APARTMENT BUILDINGS. WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE SOME. SOME OF THAT HOUSING IN CARMEL WITH THE LITTLE LAND WE HAVE LEFT. I'VE SPOKEN WAY TOO LONG BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO GIVE A BACKGROUND. WE KNOW THAT HOUSING IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE. FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE, FOLKS THAT DEVELOP HERE, MAKE THEIR LIVING WITH HOUSING, IT'S IMPORTANT. ACROSS ALL PHASES. SO WE WANT TO GIVE A GOOD BACKGROUND AND MOVING FORWARD, AS WE CONTINUE, I ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT, WHERE WE WANT IT. I'M SURE WE CAN FIND SOME SOLUTIONS THAT ARE REASONABLE AND FIT THE CHARACTER -- FIT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF CARMEL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ADRIAN. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE WORKING DOCUMENT. SO NOW, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. ANY CHANGES TO ORDINANCES THAT [01:05:04] WILL EVER BE MADE WILL -- THERE'S A PROCESS. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNED CITY COUNCIL. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM THE HOUSING COMMISSION, IF IT REQUIRES ANY SORT OF CHANGES, IT WILL COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT YOU WANT, THAT YOU NEED. ANY OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT OUR UDO, SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S OUTLINED BY THE HEA1001 TO THE EXTENT WHAT YOU THINK WE'RE DOING WELL, WHAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, SUGGESTIONS, AND WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. WE'LL START WITH THREE MINUTES PER PERSON AND WE WILL RUN THE TIMER AND IT IS GREEN, YELLOW AND RED, SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE TIME. IT WILL TURN YELLOW, RED WILL MEAN WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU EACH TO DO IS TO COME UP BY ONE ONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SAY GENERALLY WHERE YOU LIVE AND PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS. WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR IT. TO HAVE IT MOVE, IF THERE COULD BE A LINE THAT STARTS SO THAT WHEN ONE PERSON IS FINISHED, THE NEXT PERSON CAN STEP UP PRETTY QUICKLY. I DO SEE WE'VE GOT LIST UP THERE. REMINDER HAD TO THE EXTENT YOU TOUCH ON ONE OF THOSE. THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO. >> FIRST QUESTION. IS THE CAMERA GOING TO BE COMING DOWN LIKE IT WAS LAST NIGHT? >> THE CAMERA IS ON YOU AND YOU CAN SEE -- >> NOT ON ME. >> WE'RE LIVE. OH. ON THERE? YES. OKAY. MY NAME IS CHARLES DEMLER I SPOKE BEFORE YOU BEFORE. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN 1980. I LIVE IN THE SECOND OLDEST NEIGHBORHOOD OF CARMEL, WHICH IS JOHNSON ADDITION, TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS OUTSIDE OF THE TRAIL AND ONE AND A HALF BLOCKS OUTSIDE OF THE ARTS AND DESIGN DISTRICT. APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS AGO, THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL DID SOMETHING THAT WAS UNPRECEDENTED. THEY ALLOWED A SIX-STOREY BUILDING TO BE BUILT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I BUILT MY POOL IN 1989 IN A VERY PRIVATE AREA AND WHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOUND THIS WAS HAPPENING, WE RAISED 10,000 DOLLARS AND HIRED AN ATTORNEY TO TRY AND HELP US. BUT WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU HERE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS MY GOAL. I BUILT IT ALL MYSELF IN 1989. I DON'T SHOW THE TOP TWO STOREYS. IT'S NOT SHOWING UP AND NOT FOCUSING. BUT A TALL BUILDING THAT SETBACK IS THE EXACT PROBLEM I HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S A NICE SUNNY DAY. YOU MIGHT SKINNY DIP. THERE'S A SIX-FOOT FENCE AROUND YOU. PERFECTLY PRIVATE. NO ONE CAN SEE IN YOU. WHEN THE SIX-STOREY BUILDING WENT IN, OUR ATTORNEY TRIED TO GET IT DOWN TO FOUR STOREYS. YOU CAN SEE THE BACK THERE. THEED BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE. TREES ON MY PROPERTY LINE. WELL, I NOW WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. KEEP THAT IN MIND OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW. NOW LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S MY -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET FOCUSED OR NOT. YOU CAN SEE ONE BIG TREE? MY PRIVACY IS GONE. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MAKING DECISIONS, AND I WANT YOU TO ALL THINK ABOUT, THIS IS YOUR HOUSE. HOW HAPPY WOULD YOU BE WHEN THIS HAPPENED? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION, TOTALLY -- BY THE WAY, ACCORDING TO ZILLOW, MY HOUSE DROPPED $100,000 VALUE IN FOUR YEARS. KEEP THAT IN MIND IF THAT WAS YOUR HOUSE. THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION, JOHNSON ADDITION HAS SETBACKS OF 35 FEET. AND I UNDERSTAND VARIANCES CAN BE GOOD BUT NOT BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A VARIANCE DOES IT MEAN YOU SHOULD EXTEND THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE ON TWO LOTS. I WANT TO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT EVERYWHERE IN CARMEL. >> THANK YOU. >> HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UP NEXT. [01:10:05] PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> LACEY EVER, ON HERE ONE-HALF OF THE REALTOR ASSOCIATION. I WANT TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO SAY WE REALLY APPLAUD THE EFFORTS OF THE COMMISSION AND EVERYONE THAT IS ADDRESSING THE ISSUES PRESENTED BY 1001. WE ARE AVAILABLE AND WILLING TO HELP WITH A LOT OF REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN. WE'RE HERE TO HELP WITH THAT. WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS PUT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN CENTRAL INDIANA. WE ARE OFFERING THE SAME TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. BUT WE REALLY JUST APPLAUD THE WORK OF THE HOUSING TASK FORCE, THE HOUSING COMMISSION. YOU KNOW, BUILDING MORE HOUSING, MEETING THIS DEMAND IS KEY. IF WE ARE SORELY UNDER INVENTORY HERE FOR THE DEMAND OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE OR EVEN PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE AMONG THESE AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND WE ARE HERE TO HELP AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE OFFER OF HELP. THANK YOU. >> I'M SCOTT LOW. MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO CARMEL ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. BEEN IN THE AREA SINCE '96. WE'RE EMPTY NESTERS IN A FOUR-BEDROOM HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES SO NOT TOO MANY YEARS WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR SMALLER RESIDENTS. FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE CITY AND THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR EXAMINING THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE OF THE TASK FORCE'S REPORT FROM SEPTEMBER OF 2 THOUSAND DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF DOCUMENTING THE CURRENT SITUATION AND INCLUDING THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING CHOICES THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THREE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE IN CARMEL THAT ARE HAVING TROUBLE DOING IT. GROUPS ARE OLDER PEOPLE LIKE US THAT WOULD LIKE TO DOWNSIZE, YOUNGER PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE LIKE OUR SON WHO WORKS IN CARMEL BUT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE MAKING SOME GOOD SALARY. THIRD, WORKING PEOPLE WHO ARE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHO IN THE COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON AND PEOPLE LIKE TEACHERS, FIRST RESPONDERS AND MANY OTHERS. AND THEN CARMEL WOULD BE AN EVEN STRONGER AND FRIENDLIER PLACE WHERE THESE FOLKS COULD LIVE HERE. LAST WEEK, I ATTENDED A HOUSING SUMMIT SPONSORED BY MY BOARD. THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER WAS ED PINTO, A HOUSING EXPERT WHO HAS TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS IN A LOT OF OTHER PLACE AND IS SAID THAT IN EFFECT, ZONING LAWS AND ORDINANCES HAVE MADE STARTER HOMES ILLEGAL. FURTHER THERE ARE THREE ACTIONS THAT ARE MOST EFFECTIVE IN REVERSING THIS. THEY ARE LOT SIZE FLEXIBILITY AND NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, ABILITY TO HAVE GENTLE DENSITY AND EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND ABILITY TO BUILD RESIDENCES AND NONRESIDENTIAL AREAS. HE NOTED THE TEXAS MADE THESE CHANGES JUST LAST YEAR AND THEY'RE ALREADY RESULTING IN SIGNIFICANT NEW HOUSING. CARMEL SEEMS TO HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES. THE HIGHWAY 31 CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE DONE AND SHOULD INCLUDE LOTS OF HOUSING CHOICES. THE MISSING MIDDLE APPROACH IS BEING REVIEWED BY THE HOUSING COMMISSION IF DONE THOUGHTFULLY WOULD PERMIT GENTLE DENSITY IN MANY CARMEL AREAS WITHOUT UPSETTING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. I DO KNOW THE RECENT CHANGES IN PROPERTY TAX INCOME HAS HURT THE BUDGET OF CARMEL AND A LOT OF OTHER INDIANA TOWNS. I THINK THESE HOUSING-RELATED CHANGES WILL IMPROVE CARMEL'S FINANCIAL COMMISSION. BUILDING MORE HOUSING WITHOUT ADDING A LOT OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IS FINANCIALLY GOOD FOR CITY. THE PUBLIC REVIEW TONIGHT IS TO GATHER COMMENTS UDO UPDATES AROUND NINE KEY FACTORS. I'M NOT AN EXPERT BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS TO LEARN ABOUT ISSUES IMPACTING HOUSING. BASED ON WHAT I'VE LEARNED, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOST OF THE NINE FACTORS LISTED. BUT MY SUPPORT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE FACTORS THEMSELVES. RATHER IT'S ABOUT WHAT I THINK THE RESULTS WOULD BE. I THINK THE RESULTS WOULD BE STARTER LEVEL HOMES RETURNING TO CARMEL, MO ARE GREAT PEOPLE ABLE TO CALL CARMEL HOME AND CARMEL BEING AN EVEN BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HELLO. I'M A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL THAT HAS LIVED IN CARMEL SINCE 2023. FOR REFERENCE I CURRENTLY RENT A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT UNDER 700 SQUARE FEET. FOR THE NEAR FUTURE, PERSONALLY, I DO INTEND TO CONTINUE TO RENT DUE TO MY VOLATILE JOB, MY JOB AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF. HOWEVER, SOME PEOPLE HAVE ESTABLISHED SOME ROOTS THAT ARE MY AGE. MANY PEOPLE MY AGE HAVE SMALLER FAMILIES. THEY OWN FEWER CARS DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY LIVE AND TEND TO HAVE LOTS OF NEED FOR EXTRA SPACE FOR PREVIOUS GENERATIONS. THE ONLY OPTIONS ARE RENTING APARTMENTS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE THAT IS NEEDED AND RENTING TOWN HOMES OR BUYING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT MAY BE TOO LARGE AND TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEIR NEEDS. WITH ALL THE NEW PARKS BEING BUILT THIS, PREVENTS GENTLE [01:15:03] DENSITY FROM BECOMING A THING THAT HELPS WITH THE MOVEMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREAS TO LARGER BUILDINGS. SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMES WITH A RELATIVELY LARGE YARD, YOU MAINTAIN THE HOME YOURSELF, IF THE HOUSE IS A FIXER UPPER. MY FRIENDS WHO END UP BUYING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ENDED UP LEARNING THIS THE HARD WAY. HE TOLD ME ALL ABOUT IT. A TOWN HOUSE IS ONE OPTION FOR A SMALL FAMILY BUT SINGLE OPTION IN BETWEEN AN APARTMENT AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER FOR EVERYONE. AND RENTING AN APARTMENT TENDS TO BE SMALL AND LACKS PRIVACY BETWEEN NEIGHBORS. WHAT WE NEED ARE OPTIONS TO CHOOSE HOW TO LIVE PARTICULARLY WITH MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOMES WHERE ADULTS TAKE CARE OF THEIR AGING PARENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, LOWERING HOUSING OPTIONS BY ADUS, GRANNY FLATS AND MULTIPLEXES GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO OWN SOMETHING WITHOUT THE OBLIGATION OF A LARGE HOME, LACK OF PRIVACY AND SPACE OF AN APARTMENT OR LACK OF ANY OPTIONS AND TOWN HOME. GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO BALANCE THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS IN THE HOUSING STOCK, WE CAN HAVE WILL ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO THRIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO OWN SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND TAKE PRIDE IN. AS A POINT OF NOTE, I DO REALIZE THE NEED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DO NOT WANT THEM TAKEN AWAY FROM THOSE WHO WANT THAT OPTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CARMEL EXPAND HOUSING CHOICES, NOT LIMIT THEM. I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES FROM FELLOW CITIZENS THAT CARMEL CANNOT BE A CITY FOR ALL. WE MUST EVOLVE AS OUR GENERATIONAL HOUSING NEEDS CHANGE BEFORE WE BECOME A CITY OF NONE. PEOPLE'S LIVES COME IN DIFFERENT SIZE AND HIS SHAPES AND IT'S TIME THE HOUSING OPTIONS FIT THAT IDEA TOO. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID IT. >> MIKE. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU GOT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> HI. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK. MY NAME IS MARK WISHHART. I LIVE IN MIDTOWN FOR THE MOST PART. IT'S CALLED PARKSIDE VILLAGE. MY CONCERN IS IS THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR RESTRICTING RENTALS AND CERTAIN AREAS. I TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE THOSE -- THAT RESTRICTION ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY RESTRICTS THE LESSER HOUSING. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN A COUPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WANTED TO LET THEIR SON MOVE INTO THEIR HOUSE. AND THEY MOVED. THEY COULDN'T. YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW IT. HE SOLD THE HOUSE. BECAUSE OH, NO, THERE'S ALREADY THAT MANY RENTALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS STUNNED. I SAID, WHAT DID -- REALLY THAT HAPPENS? THEY WON'T LET ME DO IT. I WAS JUST STUNNED AT THIS. I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. BUT RESTRICTING HOUSING OR RESTRICTING RENTALS ALMOST LIKE I SAID, EXCLUSIVELY AFFECTS THE LOWER PRICED HOUSING WHICH IS NOW ALMOST NOT AVAILABLE. IT BECOMES ALMOST NOT AVAILABLE. TO LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE MOVING -- I HAVE A RENTAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I OWN ONE OF THEM. BUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT RENTED IT, SUPER NICE PEOPLE. THEY MIGHT AT SOME POINT MOVE INTO CARMEL. HE'S ONLY HERE FOR TWO YEARS, WORKS FOR ROCHE. HE'S ONLY HERE FOR A SHORT TIME. HE NEEDED TO HAVE HOUSING. HE HAS TWO KIDS AND A DOG. HE'S NOT GOING TO RENT A CONDO. THIS IS THE ONLY THING I CAN FIND. I SAID, WELL, IT'S GREATED. THAT WAS A FEW YEARS BACK. HE'S STILL THERE. PROBABLY WILL MOVE SHORTLY. BUT I GUESS I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED ON WHY THAT WOULD HAPPEN. THERE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN BE RENTED. THOSE WERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ORIGINALLY. YET AT THIS POINT, CARMEL HAS GOTTEN INVOLVED AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR HOUSE. I WAS STUNNED TO HEAR SUCH A THING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. ER IS I THINK THIS WAS A CITY COUNCIL INITIATED ORDINANCE THAT HAS SINCE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY REVISED THANKS TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT HAS BEEN REVISED AND AS OF RIGHT NOW STILL STANDS AND HOW IT WAS PASSED AT LEAST MOST OF IT IS -- BUT IT WAS A SUNSET PROVISION ON THE STATE SIDE THAT WILL KICK IN AND A LITTLE OVER A YEAR. >> HOW CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION ON SUCH? >> I WOULD FOLLOW LEGISLATIVE [01:20:03] UPDATES, STATE OF INDIANA PROVIDES PRETTY GOOD LEGISLATIVEUP DATES AND FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL. WE ARE OCCASIONALLY PROVIDE THOSE UPDATES AS WELL. AND HOUSING COMMISSION IS A GREAT RESOURCE. >> YOU CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO YOUR CITY COUNCILOR AS WELL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> HI. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARIA ONIS AND I AM A PROPERTY MANAGER WITH THE BUSINESSMENT THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO TALK. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SAY THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF MANAGING THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF ONE OF CARMEL'S NEWEST COMMUNITIES. WE ARE AND WILL BE A 350-HOME BUILD TO RENT COMMUNITY THAT IS LOCATED OFF 146TH. THE BUILD TO RENT STYLE IS NEW IN MANY WAYS, INCLUDING HOW WE THINK AND PERCEIVE FOR-RENT HOUSING. THE COMMUNITY IS A DETACHED AND/OR ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT THAT VISUALLY AND PHYSICALLY FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC OF A FOR SALE SUBDIVISION. THE 1001 BILL ALLOWS FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THE BTR COMMUNITIES ARE BUILT FOR THIS PURPOSE AND WE DO NOT ACQUIRE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES MEANING THAT THERE'S NO COMPETING WITH PERSPECTIVE HOME BUYERS OR REMOVING FOR SALE INVENTORY OF THE MARKET. THIS MODEL COMMUNITY AND HOUSING ADDS HIGH QUALITY RENTAL OPTIONS FOR EVERY STAGE OF LIFE WITHOUT REDUCING THE SUPPLY OR AFFORDABILITY OF FOR SALE HOUSING. ALLOWING THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS ALLOWS ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES ALONG WITH PROFESSIONAL AND ONSITE LEASE AND GO MAINTENANCE STAFF THAT DELIVERS A LEVEL OF UPKEEP BUT TYPICALLY EXCEEDS WHAT WE UNDERSTAND WITH HOA OR INDIVIDUAL LANDLORDS. THERE IS A FIRM BELIEF FROM MY COMPANY AT VENEER THAT PROPERTIED MANAGEMENT IS ESSENTIAL TO BUILDING SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ADDED TO COMMUNITIES LIKE CARMEL. AND THERE IS A DIRECT CONTROL AND ACCOUNTABILITY OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR PROPERTIES AND WE BELIEVE IT IS CORE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUSINESS. WHEN WE SPEAK OF RENTAL COMMUNITIES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THERE IS COMMON CONCERN FOR NEIGHBORS AND CITY OFFICIALS ON DEMOGRAPHICS THAT USE RENTAL PROPERTIES. OUR LEO COMMUNITIES ARE DESIGNED TO APPEAL TO INDIVIDUALS AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF LIFE AND WE ATTRACT A BROAD RANGE OF MEMBERS WHO ARE VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THESE INCLUDE YOUNG FAMILIES WHO WANT TO GRADUATE FROM APARTMENT ABOUT LIVING ABOUT YOU THEY ARE STILL NEEDING TO SAVE EMPTY NESTERS. WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM HOMEOWNERSHIP WHO DESIRE FLEXIBILITY AND CONVENIENCE WITHOUT LEAVING THEIR CARMEL COMMUNITY. PEOPLE WHO ARE RELOCATING FOR JOBS WHO NEED A PLACE TO SETTLE INTO THIS COMMUNITY BEFORE THEY OFFICIALLY PURCHASE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE AVERAGE FIRST-TIME HOME BUY IS LEANING UPWARDS OF 42 IN AGE AND LEO AT CARMEL PROVIDES THE LIFE STYLE AND A HOME WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF HOME BUYING. TODAY'S MEETING DID DISCUSS HOW THESE CHANGES MEAN FOR COMMUNITIES AND DONATING VACANT LAND, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE PREMISE OF LEO IS LOVE EACH OTHER. IT'S ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. IT'S TO BUILD OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE OUR NEIGHBORS' LIVING EXPERIENCE THROUGH PROMPT RESPONSIVE AND FORWARD THINKING SERVICE TO OUR NEIGHBORS. IT IS A BENCHMARK AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> HELLO. MY NAME'S SIMON GOW. I HAVE BEEN CARMEL RESIDENT FOR 26 YEARS, MOVED TO CARMEL IN 1999. SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME -- THE EXPERIENCE WE HAVE RECENTLY THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE. WE APPLIED FOR TWO LOTS WE OWN TO BE DEVELOPED THE LOTS ARE THREE CURRENTLY IN THE HOME PLACE AREA AND WAS PERMITTED FOR DUPLEXES, RIGHT. AND WE REQUESTED FOR TRIP LEX TWO MONTHS AGO COMING TO THIS COMMITTEE WAS DENIED. >> I'M QUICKLY GOING TO CORRECT YOU. IT WASN'T THIS COMMITTEE. IT WAS AT THE BCA. >> OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. BUT ANYWAYS, IT WAS A PLEASANT SURPRISE WHEN WE SAW THIS DOCUMENT HERE IN THE CARMEL IS OPINIONS PUBLIC COMMUNITY OPINIONS TO THE NINE POINTS, THE IN BE ONE, IT'S INCREASING THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING SO THAT THE [01:25:04] LOTS, WE WANT TO DEVELOP FROM FLEX, TRIPLEX, SOMETHING FITTING TO THAT GENERAL DESCRIPTION. THAT'S NOT PLANNING WAS JUST WANTS TO SEE THAT PROCESS CAN CARRY ON AND HOPEFULLY EARLY NEXT YEAR, I THINK I HEARD THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, THAT WOULD BE SOME PLANNING COME OUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO AND SO WE KNEW ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WE STILL WANT TO DEVELOP THAT AREA JUST COMING WASN'T GREAT. BUT HOPEFULLY THAT THE ISSUES LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MORE HOUSING AVAILABLE IN CARMEL WOULD EVENTUALLY -- IT'S FOR MAKE SOME CHANGES. THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MY NAME IS JO MYCENHYMER. I'M FROM CITIZENS FOR RESPONSIBLE ZONING. I HAVE LIVED IN THREE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN CARMEL IN A RANCH HOUSE WHEN OUR KIDS WERE YOUNG. THEN WE UPSIZED TO TWO STOREYS IN CAROLINA COMMONS AND NOW WE DOWNSIZED INTO A BRANCH IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS FROM THE 60-ACRE BRIDGES PUD THAT INCLUDES THREE AND FIVE-STOREY RENTAL APARTMENTS WHERE LUXURY IS REDEFINED. ONE THING THAT IS FRUSTRATING ME IS EVERY PROPOSAL I'VE HEARD RECENTLY IS LUXURY IN IT. LUXURY TOWN HOUSE. LUXURY APARTMENT. LUXURY PALACE, LUXURY EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S GETTING REALLY BORING TO ME. BUT I THINK THAT WE AREN'T MISSING MIDDLE BUT I THINK WE'RE MISSING AFFORDABILITY AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. EVERY TIME I HEAR ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE, WE CAN'T AFTERWARD TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE IT. NEEDS TO BE LUXURY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NINE POINTS QUICKLY. ONE IS PROVIDING FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT OF FLEXES, TRY PLEXES AND FOURPLEXES. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THOSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. TODAY I WAS ASKED IF THIS IS JUST FOR NEW PROJECTS OR CAN IT BE INSERTED INTO ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. NUMBER TWO. CONSTRUCTING OTHER HOUSING TYPES. I WAS ASKED TODAY IF THESE UNITS THE ESSENTIALLY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WILL BE COUNTED IN TERNLS OF RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEY'VE JUST NOT COUNTED AS RENTAL UNITS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE RENTED. SO NUMBER FOUR, IF YOU INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS. SO A NUMBER FIVE ON A GARAGE SIZE AND PLACEMENT UP NORTH OF US AT HERITAGE, I WAS TOLD BY MANY PEOPLE THAT THE GARAGES WERE TOO SMALL FOR VEHICLES SO THAT MEANT THEY WERE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAYS. GOING UNDER TO THE GREATER SETBACKS, I PERSONALLY FEEL CLAUSTROPHOBIC WHEN HOUSES AND BUILDINGS ARE ON THE STREET AND IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE A FIRE SAFETY ISSUE WHEN THEY'RE PRACTICALLY TOUCHING AND I WORRY WITH "B" DRAINAGE. WE RECENTLY HAD FLOODING AND WHEN EVERYTHING'S CONCRETING IN, THERE'S NO SPACE FOR WATER TO GO, WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO? ALTHOUGH THIS PROBABLY ISN'T RELATED, I ALSO RECEIVED TOO MANY SUBDIVISIONS TAKING UP WET LANDS THAT WOULD ALSO LEAD TO MORE FLOODING, I THINK. OFF-STREET PARKING, WE HAVE A NARROW STREET. THE OTHER DAY A NEIGHBOR CALLED ME TO SAY THAT I HAVE THE NUMBER FOR ANOTHER NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION TRUCK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN THE GARBAGE TRUCK COULD NOT GET THROUGH. SO PARKING ON THE STREET, WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT OFF-STREET PARKING, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HEIGHT LIMITATIONS LIKE CHARLIE WAS SAYING, I JUST THINK THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE NEIGHBORS LOOKING DOWN ON US. AND SO LASTLY I WOULD SAY STREAMLINING OR SHORTENING THE PROCESSES AND TIMELINES TAKES AWAY FROM THE ABILITY OF NEIGHBORS TO RESPOND TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND ACTUALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS RON HOUCK. I LIVE ALONG SPRING MILL ROAD. AS I LOOKED OVER THIS, I REALIZED WE'RE IN THE FORMATIVE STAGES OF DEALING WITH H HEA1001.. MAYBE GET TO ADD ONTO JILL'S [01:30:07] COMMITMENT ABOUT DOES THIS OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY TYPE OF HOUSING TO BE INSERTED INTO AN EXISTING STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD? IN WHICH CASE THE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS CREATE STABILIZING INFLUENCING, NOT DESTABILIZING. SO SINCE THERE ARE NO DEFINITIONS, I THINK, I HEARD ADRIAN SAY FOR SOME OF THESE TRYTRI PLEX, WHATEVER. IF IT'S ALLOWED IN CAR MANY HE WILL IN ONE ZONING AREA, IS THAT SUFFICIENT? DOES IT HAVE TO BE ALLOWED IN ALL ZONING SINGLE FAMILY? I DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE POINTS THAT WERE THE FACTORS ANY KIND OF MANDATE. YOU MUST HAVE "X" PERCENT OF SOMETHING. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IS THE INVENTORY REPORTING IN JANUARY 1 IS THIS TOGETHER A BASELINE FOR THE STATE THEN WE'LL FURTHER PRODUCE RAMIFICATIONS FOR HOW THIS IS TO BE IMPLEMENTED. THAT'S A CLARIFYING QUESTION I WOULD LIKE ANSWERED. WILLS HOW WILL THIS IMPACT EXISTING COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS IF THERE ARE VACANT LOTS WITHIN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. DOES THIS ALLOW FOR THAT TYPE OF USE TO BE INSERTED? I THINK A DUPLEXES I THINK OF RENTALS. BUT IS THISSED OWNER OCCUPIED, THIS DUPLEX, TRIPLEX? WITHOUT DEFINITION, I THINK IT ADDS AMBIGUITY. THIS SEEMS TO BE ROLLED OUT WITH ALL CITIES IN INDIANA TO BE UNIFORMLY APPLIED. ALL CITIES ARE NOT THE SAME. THE PROCESSES ARE NOT THE SAME. THEIR HOUSING INVENTORY IS NOT THE SAME. SO HOW WILL THIS -- HOW WILL COMMUNITIES GAIN CREDIT FOR BEING PROACTIVE VERSUS THOSE WHO ARE NOT PROACTIVE? AND AGAIN, THIS MAYBE GOES BACK TO HOW THE REPORTING IS USED BY THE STATE OF INDIANA SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND I GUESS BASICALLY AROUND THE IMPACT TO EXISTING COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS FOR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALSO FOR ADJACENT USES IF THERE'S VACANT LAND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO THEM, HOW WILL THAT BE MANAGED FROM AGAIN NOT BEING A DESTABILIZING FORCE? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE HAVE BEEN RATHER VISIONARY IN OUR HOUSE AND GO EMBRACED DIVERSITY OF HOUSING SO I DO THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REPORT THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER IS TELLING A STORY OF HOW WE GOT TO BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THAT IS DEFINITELY PART OF THE STORY. >> AS DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES DEAL WITH THIS, LIKE KOKOMO, GREENWOOD, EVERYBODY'S NOT THE SAME. STREAMLINING A PROCESS BY 15 DAYS, ONE COMMUNITY MAY HAVE A 45-DAY PROCESS AND ANOTHER 90 DAYS. HOW DO YOU APPLY THOSE KINDS OF FACTORS OR -- I WON'T SAY MAYBE A MANDATE. BUT A SUGGESTION WHEN PROCESSES ARE SO DIFFERENT AND THE HOUSING INVENTORY BETWEEN COMMUNITIES ARE SO DIFFERENT? >> THANK YOU. JUST REAL BRIEFLY ON HEA1001. IT'S EVOLVED A LOT. IT CHANGED A LOT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND WHAT WE HAVE TODAY MAYBE JUST GIVE A LITTLE HIGH LEVEL OF WHAT THE REPORT -- WHAT THE REPORT IS -- WHAT'S THE FRAMEWORK OF THE REPORT THAT IS TO BE GIVEN? >> UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT REALLY WELL DEFINED. WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE REPORT. THAT'S REALLY IS THE TRUTH OF IT. AT THE MINIMUM REPORT REQUIRES CONFIRMATION THAT THE HEARING HAS BEEN HELD. SO THIS IS CHECK NUMBER ONE. ALSO, IT REQUIRES TO IDENTIFY WHAT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED BY THE CITY AND SPECIFICALLY IF THERE ARE ANY UDO AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, USING AT LEAST SEVERAL OF THE FACTORS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED BY THE LEGISLATURE. ALSO, NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR REPORT BUT THERE'S ALSO REQUIREMENT TO REPORT A LOT OF HOUSING INFORMATION ABOUT OUR MUNICIPALITY AS WELL. SO THAT WILL BE WORKING ON AS WELL. IT'S INDEPENDENT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND DATA COLLECTION ON THE STATE LEVEL. SOME OF IT IS FRANKLY WOULD BE HARD FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT BUT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH MY BOARD AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER OF RENTAL UNITS AVAILABLE, WHAT'S [01:35:04] THE AVERAGE PRICING FOR RENTAL UNITS, ET CETERA. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PRICING FOR HOMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR SALE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COLLECT ALL THAT INFORMATION ESPECIALLY ON SHORT NOTICE IF YOU WILL. IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT INFORMATION WILL BE COLLECTED THIS YEAR AND SOME OF THOSE REPORTS DON'T COME OUT UNTIL EARLY OR SOME TIME IN 2027 SO THERE WILL BE -- WE WERE INFORMED THAT WILL WILL BE GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE STATE AND WE'LL REPORT BACK TO ALL OF YOU WHAT IT WILL ACTUALLY REQUIRE AND HOPEFULLY IN FORM, AND BUT WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. >> HI. HELLO EVERYONE. >> FACTOR 1 THE MOST SCARY OF ALL. WE WERE INTENDED TO BE INFLUENCED TO THINK IT'S NOT SCARY BUT IT IS SCARY. PROVIDING FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT OF DUPLEXES, TRIPLEX AND IS FOURPLEXES IN AREAS DESIGNATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING TO ALL THE MANY, MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO CHOSE QUALITY OF LIFE THEY WANTED HERE BASED ON THE ZONING AND I EXPECTED THAT TO BE UPHELD. AND IT'S ALSO VERY SCARY FOR WEST CARMEL WHO HAS LOTS OF BIG ESTATES THAT COULD SELL AND WHAT WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO WITH THAT? THE FATE OF THOSE IS IN BIG QUESTION. AND I THINK THE ZONING REGULATIONS MAKE CARMEL A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE AND IT INCREASES THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND CERTAINTY OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE NINE FACTORS, BUT ADUS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE OTHERWISE NEIGHBOR INPUT IS CUT OUT. I DO THINK THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LOT OF THIS MIXED USE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT AND INSTEAD OF INVADING THE SINGLE FAMILY AREAS. AND I AGREE WITH JILL THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LUXURY, IT IS LUXURY EVERYTHING. AND WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? I MEAN, IS IT BECAUSE BUILDERS DON'T WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY? I DON'T KNOW. ISS I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. I'M GOING TO SEND YOU AN E-MAIL WITH THE REST. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO THE E-MAIL. THANKS. COUNCILOR SHANNON. >> I'M COMING UP AS CITIZEN SHANNON MENARD. SO IT'S A DIRECT QUESTION. AND IT'S AIMING IT TOWARDS OUR CORPORATE COUNSEL. MR. HOUCK MENTIONED HOA COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR MYSELF AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS SITTING HERE TONIGHT AND WHOEVER'S LISTENING FOR YOU TO MAYBE EXPLAIN WHAT COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS DO TO LAND VERSUS WHAT THE UNDERLINING ZONING MEANS BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT TO -- I'M PUTTING BACK ON MY COUNCILOR HAT AND SAYING THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [01:40:05] >> THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. AND I KNOW THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ASKED ABOUT ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS ET CETERA. SO NONE OF THIS LEGISLATURE AFFECTS COVER NANTZ AND RESTRICTIONS BY HOH. SO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE AN HOA, AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SUBJECT TO GOVERNANCE AND RESTRICTIONS, THAT IS A PRIVATE CONTRACT ESSENTIALLY THAT ALL OF YOU, AS RESIDENTS OF PARTICULAR SUBDIVISIONS, SIGNED IN ORDER TO LIVE THERE. SO NONE OF THE LEGISLATION AFFECTS IT. IN FACT, IN A PREVIOUS SESSION, IN 2026, THERE WAS SOME LEGISLATION THAT INCREASED THE ABILITIES OF HOAS TO REGULATE RENTAL HOUSING WITHIN H. AS. IT SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED INSTITUTIONAL OWNERS FROM VOTING ON RENTAL RESTRICTIONS IN HOAS. THE STATE ACTUALLY KIND OF PROVIDES TWO SIGNALS HERE. ONE IS INCREASING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES, BUT ALSO STRENGTHENING HOA AND PRIVATE CONTRACTING THROUGH INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISIONS. SO BUT THAT'S NOT CONNECTED TO ZONING. SO ZONING IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP. YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING. YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP. AND LEARN WHAT CAN I BUILD ON THE PARTICULAR PARCEL OF LAND, PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY. HOA WANTS ONCE THE DIVISION IS BUILT, THAT'S WHEN HOA KICKS IN. REVIEW YOUR COVENANTS, KNOW WHAT YOUR RESTRICTIONS ARE, KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO. AND GET ORGANIZED AND BE ACTIVE IN THE HOAS BECAUSE THAT'S HONESTLY PERHAPS THE FASTEST WAY TO AFFECT YOUR IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING IF YOU HAVE AN HOA. IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN HOA, YOU CAN PERHAPS ORGANIZE IT. > THANK YOU, SERGEI. DOES ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU ALL. I WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION TO SEE YOUR THOUGHTS, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS, AND I WILL START WITH WHO WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER. OTHERWISE YOU CAN GO DOWN THE LINE. ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? >> I'LL GO FIRST. >> JEFF'S GOING TO GO FIRST. >> I HAVE APPRECIATED THE INPUT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND IT IS SOMEWHAT VARIED KIND OF ACROSS A LARGE SPECTRUM OF DISCUSSION TOPICS AND HOW IT MAYBE AFFECTS INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM AND I GUESS ONE THING I HEARD AND PROBABLY LET ME GET TO THIS. I BETTER GO OFF MY OTES HERE. I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS COME TO MIND. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MAYBE ARGUMENTS OR THOUGHTS EVEN MYSELF WE'VE HEARD INPUT FROM FOLKS HERE TONIGHT HAVE VARYING VIEWS ON WHAT ACT 1001 MEANS. TO SOME DEGREE WITH HE NEED TO BE ENCOURAGE AND GO OPEN TO CONTINUE TO ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S A NEED. I THINK THE DRIVER BEHIND THE LEGISLATION WAS LET'S BUILT. LET'S SOLVE THE HOUSING SHORTAGE PROBLEM. SO I GIVE THAT PIECE OF IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IN SOME COMMUNITIES, MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE SOLVED. RON, I THINK, WAS YOU MENTIONED THE LEGISLATION IS ENACTED STATEWIDE. MAYBE IT DOESN'T APPLY THE SAME WAY IN EVERY COMMUNITY. MAYBE MY FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FEEL SIMILARLY. THIS BODY OR THE CITY COUNCIL OR CERTAIN HOUSING MATTERS, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD OPINIONS. I THINK THIS GROUP AND THE PUBLIC PROCESS WE HAVE HELPS -- HAS HELPED CREATE A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SO THERE'S A GOOD PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PIECE, PUBLIC HEARING. THE ABILITY FOR PUBLIC TO CHIME IN, WEIGH WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED OR PROPOSED BY A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT WITH REGARDS TO ORDINANCE WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR WHAT A NEW REZONE OR PUD MIGHT BRING TO A CERTAIN PROPERTY. SO WHAT'S INTERESTING WITH THE [01:45:02] LEGISLATION IS THERE'S PIECES OF THAT THAT AT LEAST IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEN GO AWAY. IT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE WANT AND SO I GUESS WHERE I KIND OF LAY ON THE PLANE IS AT LEAST WITH ME, IS THE PROCESS WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN US THE GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE GOT. IT GIVES US A GOOD PUBLIC PROCESS FOR REZONES, PUDS, SO WE CAN GET IN3 YOU FROM FOLKS VERSUS THINGS AUTOMATICALLY GETTING TO HAPPEN. AT THE SAME TIME I RECOGNIZE MAYBE WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE OR WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM OF MORE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HOUSING IN EARN IS AREAS, I THINK THERE'S JUST RISK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AND MITIGATE AND TALK ABOUT. >> THAT'S WELL SAID. I SEE DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW? >> I ECHO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT HERE AND SPOKE. THIS IS A CHALLENGE THAT NOT JUST CARMEL, NOT JUST INDIANA ARE FACING. SMETHING THAT WE'RE FACING AS A NATION. I COME AT THIS FROM MORE OF A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE AS SOMEONE WHO'S INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING STARTER HOMES IN INDIANAPOLIS THAT'S INTENDED TO HELP THE HOUSING SHORTAGE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALTHOUGH THERE'S A MYTH THAT IF THERE'S A DEMAND FOR DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES THAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR THAT AND THE MARKET WILL DEVELOP IT. IT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. A LOT OF PROCESS, PROCEDURE, REQUIREMENTS, ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE THE COST OF HOUSING. AND IT'S NOT INTENDED TO DO THAT. IT JUST HAPPENS. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE COST OF LAND, INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITIES, ALL OF THAT GOES INTO THE COST OF DEVELOPING HOUSING. FOR PERSPECTIVE, WE JUST BUILT A 1700 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IN INDIANAPOLIS AND IT WAS -- IT COST 320,000. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE HOUSING THAT OUR TEACHERS, OUR MEDICAL WORKERS, OUR SERVICE FOLKS CAN LIVE IN. I WAS IN A CONVERSATION AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND THE BARTENDER, THE WAITRESS WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT HOW OH, MY GOSH, I'VE GOT A 45-MINUTE DRIVE BACK TO HOME AFTER MY SHIFT. I HAVE TO BE BACK HERE AT 6 A.M. TOMORROW MORNING. I SAID, WHY DO YOU LIVE 45 MINUTES AWAY? SHE SAYS, I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. I WANT TO LIVE HERE BUT I CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHEN THE LIGHT SWITCH WENT OFF FOR ME. WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING HERE THAT PROTECTS LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE CERTAINLY WANT TO DO THAT AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOUR INVESTMENT IN YOUR PROPERTIES AND MAINTAINED AND 3 PROTECTED. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE A WELCOMING COMMUNITY THAT IS INVITING RESIDENTS TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANT TOO LIVE HERE, THAT WANT TO START A FAMILY OR MAYBE THAT JUST WANT TO DOWNSIZE AND COME INTO MAYBE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS TONIGHT. THIS IS A CONVERSATION I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT AND I REALLY GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE LAW AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO A FALSE PRETENSE THAT GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO BRING THE COST OF HOUSING DOWN. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO DO THAT BUT I THINK IT STARTS THAT CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU. DEBBIE? >> LIKEWISE, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE. AND ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS. MY CONCERN ALL ALONG WITH THIS IS THAT HOUSEN ROLLED ACT 101 IMPOSES STATEWIDE EXPECTATIONS ON CITIES AND TOWNS ACROSS INDIANA THAT ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. AND I CONCUR WITH WHAT JONATHAN JUST SAID. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE INTENT WILL RESULT IN A MET EXPECTATION. BECAUSE COMMUNITIES ARE VERY DIFFERENT. I AM A STRONG PROPONENT OF HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING WHERE IT DOES NOT IMPACT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CHARACTERISTICS OF NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR EXAMPLE, I WILL BE A BIG PROPONENT OF DEVELOPING ALONG PENNSYLVANIA WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO 31. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF BEG PARK LOTS THERE AS THOSE BUILDINGS BECOME AVAILABLE FOR REDEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT'S PERFECT PLACE FOR MIXED USE WHERE YOU CAN GET HIGHER DENSITY AND YOU'RE NOT [01:50:01] IMPACTING ANY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS THAT EXIST IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU'RE NOT AROUND ANY. AND THIRDLY, CARMEL IS THE NUMBER ONE PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE OF THE LOCAL ATTENTION WE HAVE PAID TO DEVELOPMENT. I WILL CHAMPION ADHERING TO CARMEL'S HIGH STANDARDS AND DEVELOPING THE VERY LIMITED REMAINING LAND WE HAVE TO DEVELOP OR REDEVELOPING THE LIMITED LAND WE HAVE TO REDEVELOP IN A WAY THAT IS VERY CONSIDERATE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT HAS BEEN WELL PLANNED OVER MANY DECADES. >> THANK YOU, DEBBIE. >> I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION OF HOW THE HOUSING TASK FORCE HAS APPROACHED THE TOPIC OF JUST SIMPLY AVAILABLE LAND. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE AVAILABLE LAND. I CAN THINK OF ONE PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE BETWEEN 106TH AND 116TH THE OLD CHUCK MORGAN PROPERTY THAT'S THE ONLY GR GREENFILL WE HAVE LEFT IN CARMEL. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. CARMEL IS PRIMARILY BUILT OUT. THERE ARE MORE, SAY, REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE THAN JUST VACANT LAND TO BE DEVELOPED. SO THAT CREATES A WHOLE HOST OF CHALLENGES. BEING AN EXPENSIVE BUILD IS ONE OF THEM. SO CARMEL, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE SAID THIS TO ME, I THINK WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VISIONARY AND INTENTIONAL ABOUT OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT. IT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN. IT WAS VERY PLANNED AND WE HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN. AND I THINK WE STILL NEED BRING THAT INTENTIONALITY AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THERE IS NOT VERY MANY VACANT LANDS. A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION IS WHAT KIND OF HOUSING DO WE REALLY NEED? WHERE IS THIS GOING TO BE? WHAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? BECAUSE WE ARE VERY MUCH BUILT OUT, WE HAVE A LOT MORE CHALLENGES THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE NOT HAD. AS FAR AS TRYING TO CREATE MORE HOUSING. I DO THINK PART OF THIS VISIONARY THING, AND I WANT TO GET IT -- THANK HE MAYOR FOR ESTABLISHING THAT VERY FIRST HOUSING TASK FORCE IN 2024, BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMUNITY WHO LOOKED AT HOUSING IN SUCH A BROAD SCOPE AS WE DID IN 2024 WHERE WE LOOKED AT ALL TYPES OF HOUSING AND WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING TO REALLY TAKE AN INVENTORY OF WHAT WE HAD AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS MISSING AND THEN HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE THAT AND WHERE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE NEW HOUSING COMMISSION IS PICKING UP. AND ONE THING I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT I'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT STARTER HOMES OR THAT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, THE HOUSING CUSTOM IGS AS WELL. LEAVING IT TO THE FREE MARKET, I THINK WE TEND TO GET TOWN HOMES. THAT'S WHAT THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WE'RE GETTING. WE'RE REALIZING PEOPLE WANT OTHER KINDS OF MISSING MIDDLE HAD A HOUSING. WE WANT THE SMALL COTTAGE COURTYARD, LIKE THAT CUTE LITTLE ANGLE NOOK NEIGHBORHOOD. WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR COTTAGE HOMES AND WE WANT OTHER KINDS. THE CONVERSATION HAS REALLY BEEN HOW DO WE FIND THE SPACE TO DO THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT WE REALLY -- THAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WANTS. IT IS -- WE CANNOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE VACANT LAND LEFT TO DEVELOP. WE HAVE SMALL INFILL PARCELS AND THEN REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO GREAT QUESTION. MARK, THERESA, SUE, EITHER ONE -- >> THANK YOU. THERE WERE GREAT POINTS MADE AND GREAT IDEAS AND GREAT EXAMPLES GIVEN. WHAT WE HAVE BUILT IN CARMEL AND WHAT WE COULD BUILD, SHOULD BUILD, I LEARNED A LOT. WHY ARE WE NOT GETTING ON STARTER HOMES, ON 31? IT'S THE ONLY LAND WE HAVE. IT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN THAT FAST AND I KNOW THAT. IT'S HAPPENED FAST HERE ALREADY AND I FIND ALL THIS. IF ANYBODY'S FRUSTRATED, I FIND IT ENCOURAGING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AND I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME ACTION AND I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SO I THINK THIS HOUSE BILL 1001, KIND OF FORCED US TO THIS AND I THINK WE'RE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE GAME THAT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE WHAT A LOT OF YOU WANT. WE CAN'T CHANGE SOME THINGS BUT WE DO HAVE LAND. I LOOK AT IT. WE GOT 31. IT FITS. THE MODEL FOR ME OF THE KIND OF HOUSING WE APPEAR TO NOT HAVE. SO JUST THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. [01:55:05] COUNCILORS. >> I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE AND SPEAKING. AS YOU SAID, THE MAYOR DID SAY ON RECORD THAT SHE DOES WANT TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY HOME -- SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THAT'S VERY REASSURING. ALSO IT IS TOUGH HERE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LIKE ANY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. WE'RE VERY UNIQUE AND WE HAVE BUILT IT OUT VERY UNIQUELY AND INTENTIONALLY. SO I'M GOING TO -- SUE, I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID. I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. MARK? >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY ALSO THAT I'M PLEASED THAT EVERYBODY CAME OUT, SPOKE TONIGHT. I AGREE WITH MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THE ASPECT THAT CARMEL JUST DOESN'T HAVE BASICALLY ANY UNDEVELOPED LAND. SO THAT'S A BIG HURDLE. I TOO SEE UTILIZING INFILL AREAS AND THE 31 CORRIDOR AS PROBABLY OUR BEST BETS TO MAYBE TRY AND GET SOME MIDDLE HOUSING BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU. SO I JUST -- IN CLOSING, I WANT TO THANK ADRIAN AND SERGEI SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK YOU PUT INTO THE PRESENTATION AND THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY WANT TO SEE EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE AND I KNOW WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE NEED YOU TO CHECK THAT BOX WITH HEA1001.. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND TO KEEP HAVING THIS CONVERSATION SO WE KNOW WHAT IT IS THE RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE IN HOUSING, WHAT THEY DESIRE TO SEE, WHAT WE NEED TO SEE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THINGS ARE EVOLVING AND SO WE NEED THAT FEEDBACK AND IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO ALL OF US HERE AT THE PLAN COMMISSION LEVEL BECAUSE WHEN A PROJECT COMES ABOARD OR WHEN AN UDO CHANGE COMES FORWARD, WE HAVE AT LEAST SOME CONTEXT TO THINK BACK ON WHAT DO YOU ALL LIKE? SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DIAS? NO? WE HAVE NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS OR OLD BUSINESS. SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.