[A. Call to Order] [00:00:10] GOOD EVENING, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE MONDAY AUGUST [B. Reports, Announcements, Legal Counsel Report, and Dept. Concerns] 24TH, 2026 BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HEARING OFFICER MEETING. WE WILL START WITH ANY LEGAL COUNCIL CONCERNS. >> I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AND AN ANNOUNCEMENT RELATED TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY THE NOVO OFFICE BUILDING. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE RULES AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN AND ALSO AN ARGUMENT AS TO WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING NOTICE AS A PART OF THE OWNERS OF CONDOMINIUM. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT BZA BOARD MEETING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER. AND SINCE -- ALSO I MUST ADD THERE IS A DECISION THERE, SO IF IT WOULD BE APPEALED IT WOULD BE TO A FULL BOARD ANYWAYS BY INTERESTED PARTIES. SO PROBABLY WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME NO MATTER HOW WE DO IT. I THINK A CLEANER WAY IS TO MOVE IT AS PER YOUR DECISION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> DO I NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO THE DOCKET? OR FOR THE SAKE OF THE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE COME TO HEAR THAT? >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO WAIT FOR IT I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ITEM. IF YOU SO DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO A FULL BOARD AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, YOU CAN DO IT NOW. >> THAT WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 28TH, SPECIFICALLY, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. SEPTEMBER 28TH. >> YES, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES I WILL RECOMMEND WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT FULL BZA BOARD MEETING SEPTEMBER 28TH. WE WILL TABLE IT TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP. BUT WE WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER CHANCE NEXT MONTH. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY. WHERE AM I AT HERE? HERE WE ARE. [C. (SU) Amazon Now Delivery Facility Special Use.] I TAKE IT THERE IS NO DEPARTMENT CONCERNS THAT NEED TO BE RUN? OKAY. VERY GOOD. WE WILL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THE MEETING APPEARED FIRST ON THE DOCKET IS THE AMAZON NOW DELIVERY FACILITY SPECIAL USE. PC-2026-00149SU. APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. IF YOU ARE PRESENT HERE TO REPRESENT THIS PROJECT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. MAKE SURE WHEN YOU PRESS THE BUTTON, THERE IS A RED LIGHT THAT WILL COME ON AROUND THE MICROPHONE THAT MEANS IT WILL BE A LIVE MIC. >> IS IT ON? >> YES, YOU ARE ON. >> GOOD EVENING, NATHAN EDDY WITH AMAZON'S TEAM. HERE TO REPRESENT THE PRODUCT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO BE HERE. >> IT'S UP TO YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A SMALL PRESENTATION THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. >> WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND START WITH CLARITY. IT'S EASY GIVEN OUR NOTORIETY AS A BRAND THAT WE PROVIDE LOGISTICS DELIVERIES TO MOST OF THE WORLD AT THIS POINT. AND OUR FACILITIES OFTEN DESCRIBED AS DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, FULFILLMENT CENTERS, ET CETERA ARE TYPICALLY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER THAN THIS. SO THE CLOSEST ONE THAT WE HAVE EXISTING IN INDIANAPOLIS AND WILL BE OPENING ANOTHER ONE CALLED THE SAME DATE FACILITY IN WHITESTONE, THOSE ARE MORE THE TRADITIONAL AMAZON DELIVERY FACILITIES THAT TYPICALLY AVERAGE 150-200000 SQUARE FEET. AS IT OPERATES VERY BIG FLEETS. WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN CARMEL IS TINY, 68 SQUARE FEET. [00:05:06] SO JUST TAKING UP A DOUBLE SUITE WITHIN AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND IT FUNCTIONS MUCH MORE LIKE A SMALL GROCERY STORE THAT IS DELIVERY ONLY. SO IT IS REALLY FOR THOSE VERY URGENT ITEMS THAT RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS OWNERS WANT AND THEY WANT IT QUICKLY IN 30 MINUTES OR LESS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ONCE THE FACILITY IS LAUNCHED THAT WILL GO LIVE IN CARMEL. YOU CAN PULL OPEN YOUR PHONE AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AN OPTION TO ORDER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ITEMS AND THEY WILL BE DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE OR YOUR BUSINESS IN 30 MINUTES OR LESS. AND SO THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE I GUESS IS THE SIZE OF THESE FACILITIES AND THE TRAFFIC INTENSITY IS ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE SMALLER THAN MOST OF OUR FACILITIES. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LOCAL SERVING DELIVERY STYLE KIND OF MINI GROCERY STORE AND THEN WE SELL OTHER COMMON HOUSEHOLD ITEMS LIKE PAPER TOWELS AND TOILET PAPER COME A CELL PHONE CHARGERS. SO JUST THOSE THINGS THAT YOU REALLY WANT FOR YOUR FAMILY OR BUSINESS AND YOU WANT IT TO COME TO YOU INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO GO TO THE STORE AND PICK IT UP. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT IS BASICALLY SELECTED ON HANCOCK. WE NEED NO EXTERIOR SITE MODIFICATIONS AT ALL. 14 DEDICATED PARKING STALLS AS A PART OF OUR LEASE. WE SHOULD PROBABLY ONLY NEED ABOUT TEN PERIODS SO WE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OVER PARKED. THAT FACILITY IS GREAT IN THAT IT HAS A EXISTING TRUNK COURT IN THE BACK. SO WHEN WE RESUPPLY THE FACILITY AT NIGHT, TRUCKS WILL PULL RIGHT INTO THE CENTER COURT AND PALLET JACK PALLETS INTO THE FACILITY WHERE IT WILL BE UNLOADED AT NIGHT OUT OF VISIBILITY FROM ANYBODY. SO ZERO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS NEEDED TO THE BUILDING AND ON THE INTERIOR WE ARE SIMPLY UPDATING THE BATHROOMS TO BE ADA COMPLIANT AND THEN INSTALLING SOME SHELVING AND REFRIGERATION TO STORE INVENTORY. THAT'S IT. VERY SIMPLE PROJECT. THERE WILL BE BASICALLY NO RECOGNIZABLE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING FROM THE STREETSCAPE. AND OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE STUDIED EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT UTILITY, ROADWAYS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT COULD TAKE UP THE EXTRA CAPACITY. SEEMS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT. IS THERE ANYONE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING? NO. OKAY, WELL, THAT WAS QUICK. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FOR STAFF COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. THIS SITE ZONE MANUFACTURING AND THE SMALL SCALE STORAGE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY IS VIEWED AS A SPECIAL USE APPROVAL AND ALSO ACCORDING TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, SPECIAL USE SHALL GENERALLY BE CONSIDERED FAVORABLY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST. ALONG WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PETITIONER ADDRESSES ANY OF THE REMAINING REVIEWED COMMENTS THAT WILL BE MADE FROM THE TECHNICAL REVIEW MEMBERS AND WE RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IN REVIEWING YOUR PACKET, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STOOD OUT IN MY MIND AND MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS IT. THIS FACILITY WE OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK CREDIT MENTIONED SAID THERE IS POSSIBLY GOING TO BE 750 TO 1000 TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPERATION OF THIS FACILITY, WHICH COMPRISES OF ABOUT 7-9 VEHICLES. THE FIRST BRUSH I THOUGHT, THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT JUST VOLUME OF THOSE FEW VEHICLES MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. COULD YOU ADDRESS -- I. KNOW OBVIOUSLY USED TO A MUCH BIGGER FACILITY. SO THIS IS SCALED DOWN BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES DURING A DAY. >> SURE A. GREAT QUESTION. THE FACILITY IS OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THAT ORDER VOLUME DOES EBB AND FLOW BASED ON CONSUMER DEMAND. SO OBVIOUSLY WHILE WE STAY OPEN THROUGHOUT THE WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT TO, WE SEE ALMOST ACTUAL NO CUSTOMER ORDERS DURING THAT TIME AND THE ON SITE EMPLOYEES ARE FOCUSING ON RESTOCKING THE SHELVES AND GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT DAY. BUT WE DO, KEEP THE FACILITY OVERNIGHT, LET'S SAY I AM A PARENT OF YOUNG CHILDREN CALL ME YOUR DAUGHTER WAKES UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND NEEDS SOME CHILDREN'S MOTRIN, WE CAN DELIVER THAT TO YOU INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO PACK YOUR WHOLE FAMILY IN A CAR AND GO TO THE GROCERY STORE A. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC HAPPENS DURING THE DAY. THERE ARE KIND OF PEAKS IN [00:10:03] CUSTOMER ACTIVITY BEFORE BREAKFAST TIME AND THEN USUALLY AROUND DINNER TIME. BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL COMMERCIAL FLEET COME AT THE DELIVERY DRIVERS ARE FLEX DRIVERS JUST LIKE YOU WOULD SEE FROM DOORDASH OR UBER EATS, ET CETERA. SO WE CAN SCALE UP AND DOWN THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS BASED ON ACTUAL CUSTOMER DEMAND. THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE DAY, THAT RARELY EXCEEDS US NEEDING TWO OR THREE DRIVERS AT A TIME, AND THEN WHEN PEAK DEMAND GOES UP, SOMETIMES WE HAVE AS MANY OF SIX OR SEVEN FLEX DRIVERS THAT ARE CIRCULATING IN THE AREA. IT ONLY EQUATES TO ABOUT ONE DRIVER A MINUTE DURING THE BUSIEST TIME. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF TRIPS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS ONE BULK NUMBER, BUT IT IS ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC YOU WOULD GET FROM A TRADITIONAL PHARMACY OR DRUGSTORE. AND LESS DATA TRAFFIC THAN YOU WOULD GET FROM A CONVENIENCE STORE LIKE A 7-ELEVEN. AND THEN THE SPEED OF THE PICKUP PROCESS, DRIVERS WHEN THEY ACCEPT A DELIVERY AND COME TO OUR SITE AND SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU GET AN UBER OR DOORDASH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY ONLY ON THE PROPERTY FOR A TOTAL OF 3 MINUTES AT A THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE A HUGE BUILDUP OF PARKING DEMAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BECAUSE THE DRIVER COMES COME AND THEY PARK THEIR CAR COME AND THEY PICK UP THE PRE-BAGGED ORDER, THEY GET BACK IN THEIR CAR, THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY. AND THEN AS THOSE DRIVERS ARE ON, THAT CIRCULATION AND CYCLE SOMEHOW THE SIX OR SEVEN DRIVERS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TO, THEY ARE NOT ALL ACCUMULATED AT THE SITE. THEY ARE TWO OR 3 MILES AWAY DELIVERING TO CARMEL IN THIS PROCESS THIS IS ALSO A PRETTY NEW BUSINESS MODEL FOR US WHAT WE DO THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IS PERFECT OUR DELIVERY SERVICE TO CARRY MULTIPLE ORDERS PER TRIP. SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE DISPATCHING ONE DRIVER FOR EVERY CUSTOMER ORDER AT A 1-1 RATIO. AND WE HAVE VERY CONSERVATIVELY MODELED THE TRAFFIC TO REFLECT THAT. AND IN REALITY WHAT WE THINK IS PRETTY SOON WE WILL HAVE 23 ORDERS TAKEN BY A SINGLE DRIVER AND BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE TRAFFIC VOLUMES BACK DOWN. IT'S A LITTLE SPECULATIVE FOR US, AND THEREFORE WE ON THE SIDE OF ANALYZING THE TRAFFIC MORE CONSERVATIVELY THAN IF WE PRODUCE LESS TRAFFIC OVER TIME IT'S JUST A BENEFIT TO YOU. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. SEEING THAT NO ONE HAS APPROACHED REGARDING THAT ISSUE, APPARENTLY IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A CONCERN. AND ALSO TAKING UNDER ADVISEMENT THE STAFF'S COMMENTS COME I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS ON SPECIAL USE. WITH THE CONDITIONS OF FINAL -- ADDRESSING ANY TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMENTS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS. >> FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. [C. (V) GradeX Sign Variance, Additional.] >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS THE GRADE X SIGN VARIANCE. PZ-2026-00161V, GROUND SIGN SHALL INCLUDE DELINEATED CORNICE DESIGNED TO RELATE TO ARCHITECTURE FEATURES ON THE MAIN BUILDING SITE, NO DELINEATED CORNICE REQUEST. PLEASE COME UP FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >> I AM WITH THE GROUP PRESENTING FOR GRADE X WITH THE SIGN THAT FOLLOWS ALL OF THE GUIDING SPIRIT IT IS UNDER THE MAX SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE THINK THAT THIS WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND KIND OF ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND BRING IT ALL TOGETHER. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I WILL OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? SEEING NONE, I WILL ASK FOR THE DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU, SO THIS NEW SIGN WILL REPLACE A SIGN THAT WAS THERE BEFORE IN THE PRIOR SIGN WAS MORE OF A CABINET SIGN APPEARED A BIG BOX OR RECTANGLE APPEARED IN THIS ONE WILL BE MORE UNIQUE IN DESIGN AND WILL ALSO HAVE UP LIGHTING FROM THE GROUND AND WILL HAVE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SIGN BASE. SO PLANNING STAFF IS IN FAVOR OF [00:15:02] THE VARIANCE AND DESIGN AND WE RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS AT FACT. >> THANK YOU. YES, I HAVE REVIEWED YOUR PACKET. AND I THINK THE SIGN IS VERY ATTRACTIVE. AND ACTUALLY IT KIND OF FITS IN WITH A MORE CONTEMPORARY LOOK OF THE BUILDING. SO I WILL APPROVE YOUR PETITION AND WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS IN FACT. >> THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY. IF I GET MY PAPERWORK IN ORDER. NEXT. [C. (V) Fenley Detached Garage Variance.] ALL RIGHTS. NEXT ON THE DOCKET, THE FENLEY DETACHED GARAGE VARIANCE, P PZ-2026-00162V, MAXIMUM 24 BY 30 DETACHED GARAGE ALLOWED, 28 BY 40 REQUESTED. SHALL NOT EXCEED 75% OF THE GROUND FLOOR AREA OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. 117.5 PERCENT IS REQUESTED. CAN YOU TURN ON THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. PRESS THE BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM. THERE, NOW YOU ARE ON. >> I AM SHERRY FENLEY, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF 1830 EAST 109TH STREET. I AM REQUESTING THE VARIANCE YOU STATED. I BELIEVE THERE IS A CALCULATION ERROR IN THE AMOUNT OF THE VARIANCE INCREASE. INSTEAD OF 117.5% IT IS 112 OR A 30% INCREASE IN THE FLOOR AREA. INITIALLY THERE WAS A CALCULATION BASED ON A 1200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT NEVER PLANNED ON THAT. IT'S 1120. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED? >> IT IS UP TO YOU IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD. IF YOU ARE DONE, THAT'S FINE TOO. >> THE HOME IS AN OLDER HOME ON A 300-FOOT DEEP LOT. 150-FOOT WIDE, 9.9 ACRES. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LOT OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN IT. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHERS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE HOME IS RELATIVELY SMALL. IT'S 1552 SQUARE FEET. SO THE BUILDING IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED AS FAR AS A 75%, BUT IT IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN A GARAGE AND WORKSHOP AREA. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AGAIN, I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANYONE WHO IS WISHING TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THE PROJECT. IF YOU ARE HERE, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. HOW MANY ARE THERE? JESS TWO. >> HELLO, NEIGHBOR. >> HELLO. >> THAT'S FINE. >> MY NAME IS TIM GAYLE, I LIVE AT 1,829,109TH STREET. MY NEW NEIGHBORS WHO MOVED IN THE SUMMER WE HAVE YET TO MEET. WE HAVE CONTINUOUS PROPERTY. SO A LITTLE BIT OF MY LOT OVERLAPS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR LOT. AND -- COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THE QUANTITY OF ACREAGE YOU STATED? >> YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. >> I COULD NOT HEAR THE QUANTITY OF ACRES SPOKEN THAT SOUNDED LIKE SOMETHING GREATER THAN 1 ACRE. I BELIEVE IT'S 0.9 ACRES. >> WE WILL HAVE THEM ADDRESS THAT. >> I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT I OPPOSE SUCH A LARGE BUILDING ON THAT LOT. I THINK IT IS PERHAPS IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT REMEMBER THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT OUT WELL BEFORE IT WAS WORK BRANDED INTO CARMEL. SO I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME LEGACY BUILDINGS WITH LARGER FOOTPRINTS THAN OTHERS WOULD ALLOW. I THINK THIS WOULD BE% UNATTRACTIVE IN THAT PARTICULAR POSITION. WHILE IT IS A LARGE LOT, THE HOUSE IS SET VERY, VERY FAR BACK FROM THE ROAD AND THIS WILL BE A TINY PORTION OF THE LOT THAT IS BEHIND THE HOUSE. I AM NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY. >> YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK YOUR MIND. SO IF YOU ARE DONE, THAT'S FINE. IF YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY COME YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILDING -- [00:20:06] >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. JUST A MINUTE, PLEASE. ONE OTHER PERSON, YES. YOU CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND LOCATION OF WHERE YOU LIVE, PLEASE. >> HELLO. I LIVE AT 1825 EAST 109TH STREET. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. AND I ALREADY TOOK THE PROACTIVE MEASURE OF MEETING THEM. VERY NICE, VERY PLEASANT PEOPLE. I AM GLAD THAT THEY BECAME OUR NEIGHBORS. HE EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT HE IS GOING TO BE DOING WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION, AND BASICALLY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, HE JUST WORKS ON VINTAGE CARS FOR A HOBBY AND THAT'S WHAT HE IS GOING TO BE DOING GOOD I MENTIONED TO HIM THAT FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW THE LOTS AROUND THE PARTITIONING OF TERRAIN, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I ACTUALLY LIKE PEOPLE WHO DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I DID MENTION ONE QUICK THING AND THAT IS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT NOT TO TAKE MORE THAN 4-6 WEEKS. THAT STREET DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 31 YEARS IN THAT HOUSE AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON FOREVER THAT WAS PRMISED TO BE QUICK, AND IF IT IS DONE QUICKLY, THEN THERE'S NOT MUCH CHANGE. THE LOOKS OF IT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE WAY THAT THINGS LOOK NOW. AND IF IT DOES COME HE'S GOING TO PLANT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF IT SO IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD I WOULD SAY I AM ALL FOR IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT FINISHED RELATIVELY QUICKLY. THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU. YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS YOU HEARD. >> I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE FIRST GENTLEMAN'S HOME WAS. HE SAID IT WAS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. I AM NOT SURE WHICH ONE, DIRECTLY BEHIND US? NOT ON EITHER THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY? SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH PROPERTY? >> PERHAPS YOU CAN SPEAK WITH HIM AFTERWARDS ABOUT THAT. >> THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE, THE DRIVEWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET LONG. THE PROPOSED BUILDING WE ARE ANTICIPATING TO BE AT THE TOP OF THAT DRIVEWAY. THERE ARE TREES ALONG THE BACK OF THE FENCE LINE AND THERE IS A FENCE ON EACH TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT. FROM THE STREET THE BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO BE THAT VISIBLE. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE BACK BEHIND THE HOME AND ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS A ROUGH SKETCH OF THE PLACEMENT, 109TH STREET IS DOWN HERE. THE DRIVEWAY GOING UP IN THE 40-FOOT DEPTH IS APPROXIMATELY THAT. THERE IS ALSO A SHED THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THERE RIGHT NOW WHICH WOULD BE PLENTY OF SPACE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR A GARAGE UP FRONT OR STORAGE OF A VEHICLE AND TRAILER, AND THE BACK IS FOR MY HUSBAND'S WORKSHOP. WHERE HE WILL BE WORKING JUST FOR PRIVATE HOBBIES. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE? >> THANK YOU. SO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE DETACHED GARAGE IS THE ONLY VARIANCE FROM THE VIEW THIS EVENING. THE BUILDING WILL COMPLY AS FAR AS SETBACKS AND HEIGHT AND PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST SINCE THE GARAGE WILL BE PLACED ON THE LOT IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT DRAW ATTENTION. IT'S MORE FURTHER BACK FROM THE STREET BEHIND THE HOUSE. SO WE RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST ALONG WITH THE ADOPTION OF FINDINGS OF FACT. THANK YOU. >> THANKS. I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOT SIZE? COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? >> THE LOT ACCORDING TO THE [00:25:04] ASSESSOR'S OFFICE IS .9 ACRES. IS 300 FEET DEEP ON EACH SIDE AND 150 FEET, 149 FEET FRONT AND BACK. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THERE IS NO CONCERN WITH THERE BEING ANY ENCROACHMENT ON SIDE YARDS OR EASEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OKAY, ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GRANT THIS VARIANCE FOR YOU. ALONG WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM WERE WE [C. (V) Surak Residence Variances.] ALREADY TABLED THE BUILDING, SO NEXT PROJECT IS THE SURAK RESIDENCE VARIANCES. PZ-2026-00166 V, AND -- EXCUSE ME, PZ-2026-00167 V. FIRST IS FOR A MINIMUM OF 35 FRONT AND SETBACK RETIRED 25 AND 30 FEET REQUESTED AND A SECOND MAXIMUM 30% LOT ALLOWING 50% REQUESTED. SO, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> , MY NAME IS TOM WITH CUSTOM LIVING AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF MIKE AND LAURA AND THEIR SON MICHAEL. THEY ARE BUILDING A HOME JUST DOWN THE STREET. WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE AS YOU SPOKE OF AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT. I GUESS THAT'S IT. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. IS ANYONE HERE WHO IS WILLING TO EITHER SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST -- I SEE ONE HAND. OKAY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP TO THE MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF APPROXIMATELY WHERE YOU LIVE AND -- >> OKAY. I AM SUSAN KENEDY I. LIVE AT 605 EMERSON ROAD IN THE JOHNSON/WILSON ADDITION AND JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM WHERE THIS NEW HOME IS BEING BUILT OR IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT. AND I HAVE LIVED THERE ABOUT 35 YEARS, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY HAS A COVENANT IN PLACE, AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS A DIFFERENT SETBACK IT SOUNDS LIKE AS WELL AS A LARGER COVERAGE ON THE LOT, SO I AM HERE TO OPPOSE THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE OTHER HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT HAVE FOLLOWED THOSE SETBACKS AS WELL AS LOT COVERAGE. AND WE ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT STARTING TO CHANGE THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE 1960S FOR HOMES BUILT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT CONCERN PLEASE. >> SO I HAVE THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT IS ON THERE, THE JOHNSON PLAT AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED AT A 25-FOOT SET ON THE EMERSON SIDE AND ONE OF THEM ONLY HAD A 10-FOOT SETBACK ON THE REAR OR FORD STREET. ONE OF THE THINGS WITH CARMEL AS IT HAS DEVELOPED IS NOW IT IS ALSO THE FRONT OF VIEW. SO THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THE SETBACKS IS BECAUSE THE VARIANCE OF SETBACKS, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE NOW BASED ON A NORMAL R LE 2, TE [00:30:05] WOULD BE A 40-FOOT SETBACK. AND CARMEL STIPULATING 35 FEET OFF A FOURTH AS OPPOSED TO THE ORIGINAL SETBACK OF 10 FEET. SO WE WOULD BE CONFORMING MORE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL STANDARD OF JOHNSTON PLAT WAS. BUT WITH A NEW STANDARD WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A VARIANCE ACCORDING FOR THE NEW STANDARDS OF CARMEL. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHTS. MA'AM, STAFF REPORT PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, THERE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTED. ONE IS FOR THE BUILDING SETBACK AND THE OTHER IS FOR LOT COVERAGE. THE PETITIONER DID EXPLAIN HOW THE JOHNSON ADDITION PLAT DOES HAVE THAT PLATTED 25-FOOT SETBACK ALONG EMERSON ROAD AND THEN ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A 20-FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF 35. ALSO AS FAR AS THE LOT COVERAGE GOES, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GO UP TO 50 PERCENT FROM 35%, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR FINAL APPROVALS, THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE EITHER PROVIDING ON SITE STORMWATER PROTECTION OR PAYING THE MONETARY CONTRIBUTION INTO THOROUGHFARE FUND OR STORMWATER FUND. AND PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THA. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE HOUSE JUST NORTH OF THIS SUBJECT SITE DID GO THROUGH SIMILAR VARIANCE APPROVALS IN 2022, NOT THAT THIS IS A PRECEDENT SETTING BODY, BUT JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE VARIANCE APPROVALS. SO WITH THAT PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST ALONG WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PETITIONER ADDRESSES ALL COMMENTS AND THE FINDINGS AFFECT. >> SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE SETBACK ON EMERSON ROAD WAS 25 FEET AND IS STILL REMAINING 25 FEET? >> THAT IS CORRECT. AND THE SETBACK ON FOURTH AVENUE WAS 10 FEET AND NOW THE STANDARDS CALLS FOR 35 FEET? >> RIGHT, FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YES AND THEY ARE REQUESTING 20. >> OKAY. DOES IT MATTER WHICH WAY THE BUILDING IS ORIENTED? AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS YOU HAVE AN EMERSON ROUTE ADDRESS COME UP AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS FACING FOURTH AVENUE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE OR NOT. >> THE ONLY THING THIS CITY IS ADAMANT ABOUT IS NOT HAVING DRIVEWAY CUT ON FOURTH AVENUE. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF EMERSON. >> THAT PROBABLY ADDRESSED WHAT IT WOULD BE. >> PROBABLY. >> OKAY. CONSIDERING THERE IS OTHER PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, I AM GOING TO APPROVE YOUR PETITION. ALONG WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS AFFECT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS THE ADAMS POOL LOT [C. (V) Adams Pool Lot Cover Variance.] VARIANCE, PZ-2026-00169 V, MAXIMUM OF 30% LOT TO COVER ALLOWED. 42% REQUESTED. THANK YOU. >> I AM ROB SHEA, AND THIS IS A POOL PROJECT AT 13482 DALLAS LANE. WE ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL THIS POOL AND PATIO OVER ON THIS SIDE. EVERYTHING YOU SEE OVER HERE IS AT 35% RIGHT NOW. WE ARE AT THE MAXIMUM. THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL THE POOL AND PAY FOR PATIO THAT WOULD TAKE US TO 42%. WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE WITH THE DESIGN IS TRYING TO BE MODEST ON THE OVERALL SIZE OF IT. 26 BY 13 WHICH IS KIND OF ON THE SMALLER SIDE OF POOLS. WE ACTUALLY INSTALLED THE EXISTING PATIO OVER ON THIS SIDE AS IT'S CONTINUING ON OVER HERE. WE ARE NOT ENTERING THE 20-FOOT EASEMENT IN THE RESPECT OF THE N THIS SIDE. WE ARE WORKING WITH DRAINAGE TO PUT TOGETHER THE DRAINAGE PLAN [00:35:04] THAT IS GOING TO INVOLVE SOME DRYWALL SYSTEM AS WELL AS SOME FRENCH DRAINS AND OTHER DRAINAGE PIPES THAT ARE TIED INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE IS STILL WORKING ON DRAINAGE ON THOSE THINGS TO GET THAT SETTLED AND MOVE INTO THE DRAINAGE FUND. THIS 6-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ON ALL SIDES LOOKS GOOD AND YES, I THINK THAT DRAINAGE IS THE MAIN CONCERN HERE. BUT EVEN THOUGH THE CITY OF CARMEL DOES NOT RECOGNIZE PAVERS AS ANY SORT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, I THINK THAT IT IS A SMART DESIGN ASPECT TO DO AND WILL OVERALL HELP THE DRAINAGE OF THE SITE EVEN THOUGH IT DOES COUNT AS HARD SURFACE IN CARMEL. TRYING TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO COLLECT AS MUCH RUNOFF AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE UP FOR THE 7% OVERAGE. >> IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO HAS EITHER SOMETHING POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS PROJECT? OKAY, SEEING NONE, MAY I HAVE THE DEPARTMENT REPORT PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, AS THE PETITIONER STATED, A VARIANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE, TO GO FROM 35 PERCENT TO 42%, THEY ARE USING A TRUE PERMEABLE SYSTEM ON THE SITE. AND WE ASK THAT THEY CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT AS THERE ARE A FEW COMMENTS LEFT. SO WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE OF THE REQUEST AS IT GOES WITH THE COMMENTS. AND ALSO WHAT THE FINDINGS OF FACT. >> THANK YOU. I THINK IT IS -- TO YOUR MERIT THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING THE PERVIOUS PAIRS, AND ALONG WITH THAT TO COME I AM GOING TO GRANT YOUR PETITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU ADDRESS THE REVIEW COMMENTS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS IN FACT. [C. (V) Vandergrift Pool Variances.] THERE YOU GO. OKAY. NEXT IS THE VANDERGRIFT POOL VARIANCE. PZ-2026-00170 V, MAXIMUM OF 35% ALLOWED, 42% REQUESTED. AND PZ-2026-00171 V, MINIMUM SWIMMING POOL AS IT MUST BE 3-FOOT FROM EASEMENT. THERE YOU TWO. >> MY NAME IS TYLER HERMAN AND THE CONTRACTOR HELPING THE DESIGN WITH THE PROJECT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE VANDERGRIFT FAMILY HERE APPEARED WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VARIANCES WE ARE APPLYING FOR A, THE FIRST BEING A LOT COVERAGE VIRENS TAKING THE PROJECT ABOUT 5 PERCENT ON 6% OVER THE COVERAGE AMOUNT AND WE ARE ADDITIONALLY ASKING FOR A 3-FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE EASEMENT SETBACK. WE HAVE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE POOL FROM WHAT WE HAD INITIALLY WANTED OR HAD BEEN REQUESTED AND WE HAVE PUSHED THE POOL AS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AS WHAT WE FEEL STRUCTURALLY SAFE FOR THE HOUSE TO ALLOW THEM ROOM TO RETAIN AROUND IT, BUT ALSO NOT AFFECT THE OVERALL STRUCTURAL VALUE OF THE HOME, WHICH DOES THEN REQUIRE US TO JUST ENCROACH INTO THE 3-FOOT SETBACK MINIMALLY WITH OBVIOUS CONCERN FOR THE WE AS A COMPANY AND AS HOMEOWNERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EASEMENT, WHICH WE WOULD MAINTAIN POSITIVE DRAINAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO ADVERSE EFFECTS FOR ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHTS, THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE MEETING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYONE IS IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST. IS THERE ANY ONE? SEEING NONE, I WILL ASK FOR THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, THE PETITIONER HAS WORKED VERY HARD TO KEEP THE POOL AND ITS DECKING OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT. SO PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, THOSE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS FOR LOT COVERAGE AND POOL SETBACK, WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST ALONG WITH THE CONDITION OF THE PETITIONER ADDRESSING ANY REMAINING COMMENTS AS WELL AS THE ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS EFFECT. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. I WILL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS PETITION AS ALONG WITH THE [00:40:05] ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT. AND THE CONDITION OF THE PETITIONER ADDRESSING THE REMAINING COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS, ANY OLD BUSINESS? * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.